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EFV-8 Club Forum / Light Commercial Truck Discussion / VIN# help needed

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51f1

03-14-2010 @ 4:25 PM

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There are 2 plates that have the "engine number", one in the glove box and one on the right firewall inside the engine compartment (the patent data plate). These should agree with the number stamped on top of the frame rail to the right of the engine. The engine number was stamped on the patent data plate at the engine plant and was temporarily attached to the engine. At the assembly plant, this number was also stamped on the plate that is inside the glove box and on the the frame rail when the engine was placed in the truck and with the appropriate prefix to indicate the truck model and engine type, 98RC in this case. If you look closely at the patent data plate inside the engine compartment you may notice that the prefix doesn't line up with the engine number because they were stamped at different times. This "engine number" with the prefix will have to do for your VIN, as there were no other "official" numbers affixed to the vehicle.

Look for the number stamped in the center of the cowl in the engine compartment. This could reveal the build date. If you can't interpret this number, post it, and someone will do it for you. As I said in a previous post, not all trucks have a number stamped in the cowl or the data may not include the build date as it was optional with the assembly plant. For that reason, these numbers should not be used as a VIN. This cowl number may also contain the original paint code.

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03-14-2010 @ 6:12 PM

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I have read other places that the engine number on at least the 1948-50 did not match the number on the firewall or glovebox from the factory.

Jim...

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03-15-2010 @ 8:15 AM

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The engine, with stamped number, was likely changed out long ago. If you have an original body plate, it was probably used as the vehicle ID for registration. Until the "official" VIN system came into use, manufacturers each had a different method, in most cases. Ford, in particular, didn't seem to attach much importance to the need for numbers. After all, who expected these cars and trucks to still be running, some almost a century old?

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There were no engine numbers stamped on the '48-'53 8RT or the '49-'53 8BA engines.

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03-16-2010 @ 10:28 AM

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Here is where we are so far. The plate in the glove box is gone. There is nothing under the hood but the ground. There is no plate in the cowl and does not look like there ever was. I took a long shot and called DMV and had them run the number on the plate rivited to the firewall. It turned up nothing. We can't see anything on the frame yet but are working on that. I called the District Inspectors in Charlotte and they told me we can get a title but there is a process we have to go through. We will have to have it bonded, take it to their office and they will inspect it, take photos and run the frame number for its history. (theft and such) Everything would then be e-mailed to Raleigh and then we would be issued an official title. Supposed to be a 6 to 8 week process. Please keep the tips coming. They are very helpful.

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03-16-2010 @ 4:34 PM

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Sorry you don't live in Maine!! No titles required for vehicles over 25 years old!!

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03-16-2010 @ 4:36 PM

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Sorry you don't live in Maine!! No titles required for vehicles over 25 years old!!

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03-25-2010 @ 4:01 PM

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The only number riveted to the firewall should be on the patent data plate. If that is what you are referring to, that is your "VIN." Your DMV may not have it because the truck has not been registered for a number of years. There was no record of my engine number when I re-registered my truck after a lengthy restoration.

There was no plate riveted to the cowl. The number referred to was stamped directly into the center of the cowl. This is not a VIN. It was for internal factory use only. Sometimes this number can reveal the build date and paint color.

The number you posted, *98RC*396153*HP, is an "engine number" (VIN) for a '49-'50/'51 model.

Too bad you don't live in Georgia. Titles are not required for the old stuff and the DOT will not issue one.

Richard

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04-10-2010 @ 8:19 AM

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Getting a title is a project,depending what STATE you are in, CAL,NJ I know are very tough on getting titles.
I saw the picture, that truck needs a lot of elbow grease,and MONEY put into it,
if you HAVE THE TIME,and a place to work and are up to a challenge GO FOR IT,
you could go the buying a chassis with a title,might be cheaper and faster in the long run, and use your body and parts for the restoration,
you are going to have to do the chassis anyhow,and can always SELL your old one.
hope this helps 37RAGTOPMAN

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