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Posted By Discussion Topic: Safety Switch at National Meet is a deduction? -- page: 1 2 3     kubes40 04-04-2020 @ 12:01 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3374 Joined: Oct 2009 tomO, I tend to agree with nearly everything you have stated. I'd be willing to do a short tour to prove my restored vehicles operate as intended prior to entering the concourse. There are currently classes for vehicles of every level. I don't believe any changes are necessary nor required. My goal is to have the most accurately restored vehicle(s) on the concourse. Being "pretty" is kind of part and parcel of that process. I had long ago come to the realization that I enjoy the restoration process much more than touring. probably not as mentally healthy as simply touring but nonetheless, it's very rewarding to me. Mike "Kube" Kubarth TomO 04-04-2020 @ 11:16 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 7244 Joined: Oct 2009 1979 was the first meet that I had my Mercury at. There was a mandatory tour to Greenfield Village. Other meets in the 1980's also required the tour. Then it was changed to just the Operational check, because some owners did not want to get a stone chip or have an accident on the Tour. Stone chips are easily repaired and accidents can happen any time that a car is out of its garage. I still think that a short mandatory tour be part of the meet. I also believe that any car pushed onto the Concourse have a 1,000 point deduction and wrenching on the Concourse be prohibited with a 1,000 point deduction. If a vehicle is not operational, it does not fit the description of the way it left the factory or for that matter the way it was when it was sold. If the rules on parts need to be changed, to make sure that only operational vehicles are judged and to keep all models of the cars operational, then it should happen. The Bylaws may need to be changed so that the Judging Standards Committee can change the rules so that a vehicle can be restored, driven. and shown. The goal is not to have the prettiest car that spends its life going around in a trailer or sitting in a garage, but to have the cars out on the roads where other people can enjoy them. Tom kubes40 04-03-2020 @ 6:10 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3374 Joined: Oct 2009 I certainly didn't mean "most guys" at all... Lighten up? I'm fine. Mike "Kube" Kubarth ford38v8 04-02-2020 @ 11:12 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 2739 Joined: Oct 2009 Mike, I have no recollection of any "automatic bonus points" in the past, but then, I only go back to 1990 with the V8 Club. Before that, I was too busy working overtime and raising a family. What I do recall, perhaps this is what you remember? Some who pulled their cars out of trailers, then checked in to get mileage bars for their Long Distance pins. Nothing to do with judging, but yes, I'd agree, that's a pretty convenient misunderstanding of the purpose of that pin, which was kind of a Participation Award itself. You're lamenting the loss of "Days of Past"? I too, for the loss of so many good V8ers from our ranks, but I certainly would never lay a blanket judgement of cheating on "most guys" of the present crop of V8ers. I really don't think you meant that the way it reads, Mike! Lighten up, won't you? Alan This message was edited by ford38v8 on 4-2-20 @ 11:13 PM kubes40 04-02-2020 @ 6:54 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3374 Joined: Oct 2009 Alan, How about we respectfully agree to disagree. I believe in the law there is something called "the rule of law" as well as "the intent of law". Just because something isn't spelled out EXACTLY does not make it correct and in this case, certainly not acceptable - to me anyway. Do you recall many years ago when if a fellow drove his car to the show, he was automatically awarded a few "bonus points"? That lasted a few years until guys "bent the rules" because it was not specifically called out just how far a guy had to drive. Turns out these guys were trailering all the way to the parking area and driving from there to the concourse. That's not cheating? If not, what would you term it? The way things are going, soon enough it'll be a total participation concourse. Show up with anything, get the Dearborn and brag to friends about how "perfect" the car is. I miss the days of past when most guys would do what's necessary to win fair and square. Mike "Kube" Kubarth ford38v8 04-02-2020 @ 4:28 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 2739 Joined: Oct 2009 Mike, you and I agree on many things, but I have to call you on this one. I think it's overly harsh to use the terms "bending the rules", and "cheating". Opinions like that are just not appropriate to use with each other without having further knowledge of the individual and the situation on the other end. While you and I agree that it surely sidesteps the intent of the operational check, I would hope you could see the other point of view also, in that as no specific rule is spelled out, those folks don't deserve to wear a label such as you said. I would prefer a gentlemanly sort of resolve such as the question asked at the operational check regarding the functionality of the windshield wipers, for which there is a mild 3 point deduction if the honest owner states that they are not functional. I would be satisfied with a gentleman's word, which itself raises the bar for both man and car. Alan This message was edited by ford38v8 on 4-2-20 @ 4:30 PM kubes40 04-02-2020 @ 6:22 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3374 Joined: Oct 2009 40coupe, Semantics my friend... nothing more or less than semantics. Attempting to bend the rules is cheating in my opinion. Apparently to you it is acceptable as it is not specifically spelled out in the rules. By chance are you a lawyer? Mike "Kube" Kubarth kubes40 04-02-2020 @ 6:19 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3374 Joined: Oct 2009 MG, over restorations are penalized just as the club rules mandate. Mike "Kube" Kubarth 40 Coupe 04-02-2020 @ 6:05 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1650 Joined: Oct 2009 Cheating is doing something deliberately against the rules. There is no rule against changing some parts after Tech and before judging. Can we drop the term "Cheating" in this conversation. I believe it was brought up to express someones impression only. I believe their impression was expressed to an extreme! MG 04-01-2020 @ 5:10 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1251 Joined: Nov 2009 Yes, 'over restorations' should be penalized....They are not correct....

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