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DMD

06-14-2010 @ 7:40 AM

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I have a 1945 1/2 ton pickup and on the frame and outer housing of the transmission the number reads *99C-659713* and on the motor block (the back of the bell housing) reads C17544. Which of these numbers is the correct number to be listed on the truck title and are these the correct production numbers of the year 1945?

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06-14-2010 @ 10:19 AM

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The number on the frame would normally be the number on the title. The numbers are in the range of a 45 commercial vehicle.

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06-14-2010 @ 10:59 AM

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As I recall, there was a government embargo on vehicle production in 1945, with exceptions for emergency services and school busses. The remaining vehicles were directed to the military, which had their own serial number system, which may account for unusual designations. Any surviving vehicles, likely military surplus, probably received different engines and/or transmissions over the years, leaving only the frame number, if any, to provide information. As the frame and transmission numbers agree, that would be the registration VIN.

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06-14-2010 @ 6:42 PM

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Hey Guy's thanks for your information, now I'm really confused! Because on my title the vin number reads C17544 which is the number stamped on the bell housing in the back of the motor. Why is that? Other info I gathered the serial numbers for the production year of 1946 started at 99A650,280 - 99A1,412,709. Seeing that my number reads 99C659,713 and my title says 1945, does this mean that this is a 1946 truck? What does the 99C mean?

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06-15-2010 @ 8:20 AM

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99 usually identified that frame as having the higher hp or mercury engine installed in it originally. Is the number stamped into the engine or the top part of the transmission? Normal Ford production procedures were to have the transmission stamped at the engine plant and when that engine was placed into the frame, that number was transfeered to the frame, usually in at least two places sometimes three.

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06-15-2010 @ 8:46 AM

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If you have a valid title with a number accepted by your DMV. I wouldn't look for alternatives for registration. Usually, that opens the proverbial "can of worms" when tangible proof is needed. Given the unique status of the 1945 vehicles, that could be tough. Any Ford vehicles manufactured after 1942 until early 1946 were produced with leftover parts and arbitrary numbers, in most cases. Most year and model tables don't list numbers for 1945. In 1942, the letter "C" was used to designate a six cylinder engine in some "special" models. If your truck is a six, that may account for the number.

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06-15-2010 @ 12:34 PM

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All very good posts and as Superreal says, you might not want to mess with that accepted vin with your DMV.

All that aside, the 99C signifies a 100 hp pickup. 99A signifies a passenger car. Ford was the first to restart passenger car production after WWII in July 1945. Prior to that they had been granted permission by the OPA to resume truck production. For some odd reason, these trucks are more commonly titled as 1945's versus the cars assembled during this time frame.

The sixes introduced in 1941 were designated 1GA. Look up the prefix for the coil for the 42-48 Ford and that's the number you will find. The sixes had the flat distributor before the V-8's.
When the six cylinder engine was changed in 1947,it became the 'H'.

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06-15-2010 @ 5:43 PM

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Hey guys thanks once again for responding to my post. Here's a question I'm going to throw out...Why do you think the C17544 which is on the bell housing (stamped in raised numbers) is on my title, instead of the true vin number *99C659,713* which is on the frame and transmission? Did somebody else change that or do you think it was a factory screwup? The motor is a flathead V/8 which is stamped on each head 59A. Would anyone know if the C17544 is a correct block for the production year 1945?

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06-15-2010 @ 6:50 PM

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DMD, depending on the state in which the truck was first registered they may have required the use of the engine number. Up until 1955 when the manufacturers started using a specific VIN number there were no hard and fast rules for the use of numbers( engine or frame) by the states. VIN numbers were developed for three reasons; #1)to identify a specific vehicle as to model, engine type,body type and production number and #2) was to make it easier to identify stolen vehicles and #3) a standardized way for the states to use this number when registering vehicles.

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06-16-2010 @ 8:20 AM

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some states did not have titles until the sixties, after that to obtain a title you had to have a bill of sale and a tracing of the number on the frame which was notorized, seems some one used the rubbing of the engine block number as oppossed to the actual seriel number. That aside as supereal said don't fix it if it ain't broke!! also those numbers that you are referring to are not "stamped" but cast into the heads,block, etc when there were manufactered

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