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Bored&Stroked

10-13-2015 @ 5:45 AM

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New to this site, just joined the club at Hershey. I'm pondering building a couple original 32 V8 engines, with the correct intakes, distributors, fuel pumps, etc.. I want to have a 100% (or close as possible) example for my 32 Cabriolet - but may build 1 or 2 more at the same time. They are difficult, expensive and timely to build - with one-year only parts on all corners.

My $50 Question: Are people looking for these engines anymore? Does anybody care about running them and not just collecting them? In order to do this, the value has to be north of $10,000 or it isn't worth the time. Thanks!

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10-13-2015 @ 9:56 AM

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Who are you? I don’t think I have seen your name before. That would be one of my first questions. Can I go onto the Early Ford V8 Club site, fordbarn.com, GOOGLE and HAMB and search for your name and read good things about you that would make me trust you? Why should I trust you enough to pay $10K+ for an engine from you? Do they come with a guarantee? Are you an established business that I can count on to stand behind that guarantee? What was the block like you started with? How many engines have you built? If you are not going to be doing the machine work yourself then who is going to be doing it? Unless you can give good answers to these questions I don’t think I would step up for a $10K+ engine. On the other side I think your $10K+ number might be a reasonable number for your cost assuming you need to go out and buy everything and have it machined and were not just rebuilding something you already had. Then there is the market, I doubt there are that many restorations underway where people don’t already have an engine. Bottom line, my advice would be you should just build one engine for your car. If someone offered you an engine for your car for $10K what questions would you ask?

Charlie Stephens

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10-13-2015 @ 2:55 PM

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Charlie, Excellent answer, and good advice for anyone in the market for any engine build.

Alan

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10-13-2015 @ 4:02 PM

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That's right Charlie. It seems that a guy try's to run a honest ad and some scammer is trying to get him.I happens I know for a fact, a guy working for one of the big guys tried I with me. So Charlies right just build your engine and a lot of cars over the next 40 or 50 years then the people will know who you are and your good or bad reputation. Paul

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10-13-2015 @ 6:35 PM

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Hey Charlie - all your questions and comments are good . . . exactly what anybody spending that type of money should be asking (most don't know to ask).

For the sake of this site, here are a couple links to I guess more properly introduce myself via some of my flathead work (most are performance oriented, seems to be what people want to read about):

Some of my threads on the HAMB:

1) Building a 1942 Merc Race Style Engine:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/flatcab-1932-cabriolet-hot-1941-42-merc-flathead-build-updated-07-22-2015.862832/

2) Full-Flow Filter Idea:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/full-flow-traditional-oil-filter-last-nights-bright-idea.982979/#post-11075348

3) Flathead Geometry and Valve Angles - Facts With Drawings

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/flathead-drawing-key-dimensions-angles-and-validation.958100/

4) Flathead Cadillac Bonneville Motor - Porting

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/flathead-cadillac-porting-some-shots-of-metal-jewelry.597139/

5) Flathead Block Relieving - How To (Cadillac)

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/flathead-block-relieving-for-high-performance-flow-how-to.596271/

6) Flathead Porting - Soup to Nuts

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/flathead-porting-soup-to-nuts-pictures-details-and-opinions.420484/

7) The Isky 505-A . . . a Fun Story

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/flathead-isky-cams-story-and-pictures-of-the-505-a-radius-cam.148794/

Okay . . . enough of my babble, hope that helps just a bit.

Take care and THANKS for the help.

Dale

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10-13-2015 @ 6:56 PM

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If one were to look at the current costs and availability of true 32 V8 parts (distributor, fuel pump, oil pan, water pumps, etc) - I think it would be really difficult to locate/buy all the parts and actually have an engine built off of them for less than probably $15K.

I know that sounds like a lot (cause it is!), but I've walked that walk for the last two years and I have over $6000 in just raw parts . . . that is before I start any of the machine work and rebuilding processes.

It may not be worth even attempting to build any 32 V8 engines for anybody but myself. Just seems that if somebody really wants one - boy are they hard to find (just try to find a core engine) . . . then you have to find all the 32 specific parts to make it "correct".

Anyway, I may be totally wrong on this . . . maybe folks have all the 32 V8's they need, so this is a real waste to even ponder! But boy, do I love these engines and cars!

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10-13-2015 @ 8:37 PM

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Another problem would be that anyone spending that amount of money would want an engine that matches the production period of their car, early, mid, late and maybe a few more. Murphy's law says whatever you built the market would be for something else. I assume you have a copy of "The Early Ford Book" for all of that trivia?

Charlie Stephens

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10-14-2015 @ 12:06 PM

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I've only recently got into 32's - and there is a ton to learn about them. I've already picked up a lot in the last 2 years and just ordered David Rehor's books. I'm sure it is a continuous learning process, but I'm on the right track.

Also (now this may be controversial) I believe a few improvements can be made to the overall engine, without ruining it. One - putting cam bearings in it would make a lot of sense (align bore, etc). Changing to the late 49-53 valve package would reduce valve stem wear and should provide a better oil sealing system. Running a late 49-53 oil pump - with a custom pickup (depending on pan and splash shields) . . . seems to make sense.

I realize that All of this is 'non-original', but it is internal to the engine, is a better setup and is the way that I will probably go. With that said, it may be 'sacrilege' to even think this way.

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10-14-2015 @ 2:49 PM

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Be very careful when putting the late ('49-'53) oil pump in the early flathead V8s. They have the early rope or slinger type of rear main seal. When running the later pump in these early engines they can develop severe oil leaks past the rear main bearing. If you don't plan to upgrade the rear main seal, my advice would be to stay with the earlier style oil pump.

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10-22-2015 @ 8:53 AM

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This makes sense - too much volume flow out the bearing - it has to go somewhere. When you talk about an upgrade to the rear main seal, was wondering what that is and if somebody make that beast? I've seen the new front seals (single piece), but not something to replace a 32 stock rear main.

Thanks for your help.

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