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Posted By Discussion Topic: 1948 ford car oilbath -- page: 1 2 3     TomO 05-15-2015 @ 8:12 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 7386 Joined: Oct 2009 Mike, you keep saying that standards must be set. I believe that the Club has already set the standards. Some people may misunderstand the standards and expect cars to be over-restored or that an equivalent part is just as good as the correct one. AACA has had trained judges for years and they still have the same controversy about judging as you are bringing up. "The judges do not judge MY car correctly." The judging rules cover the dirty tire on your car and you could have protested the deduction. The Interior judge at Dearborn, did not even give the judging sheet to the Deputy Judge, so I could protest his incorrect deductions. These things will continue to occur as long as we have people judging. Tom kubes40 05-15-2015 @ 6:35 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3577 Joined: Oct 2009 Trjford8, I tend to agree with your latest response. However, I am unable to find a correlation between associated costs and judging standards. Are you suggesting judging standards be relaxed so that folks don;t get discouraged? Stroker 05-14-2015 @ 7:41 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1460 Joined: Oct 2009 AMEN trjford8 05-14-2015 @ 7:19 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 4356 Joined: Oct 2009 I understand your comment about a car being judged at one meet and losing points on an issue and then going to another meet and not losing points for the same issue. I think that is a problem and some frustration for the owner. Not sure how to solve this problem, but if there is a club book for a particular car the book should be the main reference for that car. I do think our judging is pretty good compared to some clubs. I believe the AACA and the Model A Club have an advantage over the V-8 Club. The AACA accepts late model vehicles which are less expensive to own for the entry level enthusiast and the late cars appeal to the younger crowd. The Model A guys for years had a modified class so there is a place for non-stock cars. Model A's are also cheaper to own than an early V-8. Let's face it our cars are expensive to build and buy. There is interest out there, but a young guy paying rent, working a full time job, and supporting a kid or two just can't afford our cars. It's up to us to help these young people. Recently I came in contact with a young guy gathering parts for a '40 pickup. I had some spare pieces laying around and rather than take them to a swap meet I gave him the parts. He was one happy kid. He thought he won the lotto. If we want younger people it's up to us to help them with their projects. It's also good for us old guys to be around these young guys. They are full of enthusiasm and it's infectious. kubes40 05-14-2015 @ 5:59 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3577 Joined: Oct 2009 42merc, To be clear, I am suggesting strongly the club draws the proverbial line in the sand and lets the serious restorers know what standards they will be expected to achieve. If you have ever spent perhaps years and countless dollars building what you thought was a correct restoration and then shown it upon a concourse only to be judged one way at one show and a different way at yet another show... well, wouldn't you be a bit frustarted? Me? I have become frustrated albeit very infrequently. I have experienced (one example) a two point deduction for a tire that during the show had been soiled by a passer-by. No, I did not contest this. However, never mind that an INCORRECT tire is a maximum two point deduction and minor / normal "dirt" for lack of a better term is allowed... how did that particular car get two points for a dirty yet correct tire? This is but one example where a little training or even suggesting a judge might actually read the rules would have come in very handy. I know my cars are over restored and would not even think to suggest Ford ever built a production vehicle that mimicked mine. And please, don't read more in to my comments any more than my actual words suggest. I build my cars to see what I am capable of. That's the bottom line for me. Now, do I suggest I'd write the standards for 1940 Fords? Nope, I would not want to. Why? Because too many guys don't want to hear the truth (read : documentation) as it too often does not coincide with their "efforts". Rest assured, I am well past feeling any frustration. However, I do feel for those that are new to this hobby on the level I (and they) enjoy it. By the way, four coats of base and six coats of clear is ridiculous. Two coats of base and two to three of clear (high solids) is just about right Guys, I appreciate the thoughtful comments / responses. And Steve, you are an example of the kind of person I'd like to see standards set for. It's quite apparent you are doing your best to recreate an authentic vehicle. Would you not enjoy some "final word" as to what is correct and what is not? len47merc 05-14-2015 @ 3:23 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1168 Joined: Oct 2013 Gents - this has grown into a lengthy but healthy discussion. The original purpose of this discussion thread was to ask what color an oilbath air filter was supposed to be (for review the answer is black, owner to determine degree of glossiness based on input from this thread, other available EFV8 documentation and the applicable EFV8 technical adviser). Suggest posting a new discussion relative to what this thread has grown in to if the thread needs to be extended, such that searching will be more productive for those in the future. For what it's worth - Steve This message was edited by len47merc on 5-14-15 @ 3:25 PM 42merc 05-14-2015 @ 3:17 PM reply profile send p.m. New Member Posts: 127 Joined: Dec 2010 Kube, after the Club has sent it's selection of candidates (who selects by the way ?) to judging school, probably taught by you, what standards will be used ? The Clubs or yours ? I'm talking about "as it left the factory" versus "over restored", such as "block sanded air cleaners" & "four coats of base and six coats of clear" as a finish on the body. Keep us informed. kubes40 05-14-2015 @ 9:21 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3577 Joined: Oct 2009 Tom, Other major clubs train their judges so the methods are in place, have worked well for years and in some cases decades. The Model A Club as well as the AACA continues to grow in membership while this club is entertaining the inclusion on non-flathead powered cars in hope of slowing the decline of our membership. Hmmm... makes a fellow wonder. How might I propose to train, etc? Well, standards would have to be established from which to judge against. If that be the manuals the club sells or something else would need to be determined. Where's the money come from to do this you ask? As a non-profit entity the club is required by law to spend a percentage of their funds on education. To my knowledge this has yet to occur. Just why is the club holding on to the large assets we enjoy with such a tight grasp? And Alan, this is as you state a hobby and is fun. I am just not quite ready to concede the direction this club has so obviously been leaning in to for too long. That is, one where everyone goes home with a trophy so everyone "feels good". I don't know, I just can't quite let go of my upbringing and one of many lessons taught... "earn it". Perhaps one of you can answer a question I have? Is it unfair for a restorer / owner who has researched and worked hard at his project to expect a qualified team of judges to scrutinize his vehicle? trjford8 05-14-2015 @ 8:35 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 4356 Joined: Oct 2009 I totally agree with TomO and 42 Merc. This is a hobby and is supposed to be fun. No one can know everything about a specific year or model of a car. Just as soon as you use the words "always" and "never" somebody proves you wrong. Judges and car owners learn together and it's the comradery of both that holds this club together. Let's not make this some elitist group with professional judges, professional restorers and car owners. Those cars did not leave the assembly line perfect and they will never be perfect. We do not live in a perfect world. TomO 05-14-2015 @ 7:43 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 7386 Joined: Oct 2009 Mike, I respect your opinions, but the Club has standards for judging the cars, "as Henry built them". The Club publishes books to help owners restore their car back to original. These cars were built to be driven and the Club encourages that they be driven, so there should be no perfect cars on the Concourse, because Henry did not make any perfect cars. If the Club were to decide to train the judges, just how would you do the job and fund it? Tom

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