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EFV-8 Club Forum / General Ford Discussion / '36 spare tire cover assembly

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1883warren
12-20-2009 @ 9:03 PM
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I'm restoring my '36 tudor. All painted and had the big bracket on the rear, with spare tire in place. Had the fancy cover all done also and put it into place for the first time. The 'teeth' locked into the hole in the 'hub' just fine, but the cover was at least two inches from the tire !!!~ Looked at another junker up on the hill and it had the exact same bracket & hub. Looked at two other old covers and they were the same as my nice painted one. Then I noticed another lock-hole down inside the hub, so cut the whole hup off with the chop saw. Tried the cover again and PRESTO, it locked on perfect and tight against the (6.00x16) tire. Put the outer ring cover on and it's perfect.
WHAT is going on here ?!?.. Why did I have to cut off that hub to arrive at the correct lock hole down inside? None of it makes any sense. I'm 76 and been around old Fords a long time and never ran into anything like this. Hope somebody knows more than I do........ Sure, I fixed it, but why did I have to?..

wmsteed
12-21-2009 @ 9:41 AM
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If you had a spare tire mount with an extension welded over the normal lock recess... see attached photo, you had the mount that came out in Aug. 36 for the "other style" of tire cover.
The 35-36 EFV-8 Book, page 23, describes the Aug. cover as being the Standard Cover.
I have taken exception to that statement many times because my '36 Ford Cpe is a very late Delux car, which I have owned for 56 years and it has always had the "August cover".

Bill
36 5 win delx cpe

wmsteed
12-21-2009 @ 9:59 AM
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Opp's...... Posted the wrong pic.
I posted one of the common tire mount.
It seems as how I have misfiled the pic of the Aug mount. When I find it I will post same to the forum.

Bill
36 5 win delx cpe

G Tosel
12-21-2009 @ 5:16 PM
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I agree that the extension welded to the carrier is for the "Standard" Cover.

I have a friend with a Standard 5-W Coupe and his came with a Deluxe Cover, so I believe the early or late production or Standard or Deluxe features could have been changed by the dealer or the customer.

Ford always used up parts between years and I have also seen a 36 Coupe with upper half of the firewall 36 Ford and the bottom part 35 Ford. Absolutely no evidence it was changed after production.

Just some observations.

Thanks

Gary Tosel

wmsteed
12-22-2009 @ 9:45 AM
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I found the pic of the Aug '36 tire mount.
I find the subject of "Delux vs Standard" tire covers to be very interesting.
As I have stated earlier, I prefer to call the standard cover, the August cover because that is when it came out. The Aug cover is very rare, of the two covers used in '36, it is by far the better looking.
I find it hard to understand why Ford came out with a completely different cover which required a modified locking system than the common cover, for use on the low priced standard models, if in fact that was the object of the Aug cover?
I recently removed an extended lock mount for the Aug cover from a 2dr hump back sdn in Idaho. The car had dual tail lights, however the grille, windshield and dash were gone, so there was no way to tell if the car was a standard or delux. I tried to find the VIN, however the front clip, frame and fenders were gone so there was no help there. Of course the VIN would have only shown if the car was and Aug or later, not standard vs delux car.

Bill
36 5 win delx cpe

Lincoln
12-30-2009 @ 3:18 PM
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Although the 5.50x16 tire was made standard equipment on the standard passenger cars during July 1936, the 6.00x16 was optional at extra cost through production. This was to prevent the loss of business as some buyers preferred the larger tires. The assembly plants did not like this too much as it disrupted their production schedule. One Branch, Buffalo, said they could handle up to 5% variation from the normal production. The extra price for FOUR (4) 6.00x16 tires,tubes,wheels,and a tire cover, was $5.00. This did not include tire and tube for the spare, and apparently the tire carrier. These apparently were priced extra. As already pointed out each of these size tires required a different tire carrier (or bracket)and band. The lock assemblies also differed. I thank everyone for the tire carrier photos as until now I had never seen the carrier used for the 5.50x16 tire.
Hope this sheds a little more light on the subject.
Lincoln.

wmsteed
12-31-2009 @ 8:27 AM
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I can find no overall size size difference between the common tire cover and the August tire cover, e.g. 5.50x16 vs 6.00x16. They both measure approx 27-1/2" OD
If there is a difference?...It is most likely in the cover ring because the 5.50 tire was narrower than the 6.00. I have four '36 cover rings, I guess I will have to measure them to see if there is any overall width difference.
Taking into consideration the poor roads of the 1930's, and a customers reluctance to have an odd size tire on "their car" I doubt that many '36 Fords were ordered or sold with the 5.50 tires.
The game probably changed in 1937 with the introduction of the V8 60 which had 5.50 tires on a narrow wheel as standard equipment.

Bill
36 5 win delx cpe

1883warren
09-08-2010 @ 10:03 PM
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All this info sort of goes to show that Ford did some odd things, and they did what they had to do to use up parts any way they could. They kept costs down, unlike today. Teriffic cars, and no wonder they are still going strong. My '36 is done. I got a radio head on eBay with cables; rebuilt (myself) a '54 radio and made cable attachments, then mounted it under the dash. Also made a copy of the '35 header-mounted speaker above but used a modern 5 x 7 speaker. Super sounding radio!! It's all 6 volts too. I'm using a '39 30 amp generator with fan, & regulator. 50cp bulbs and new reflectors... great lights. I paint the insides of tail lights WHITE, for much better light.
I have a trunk light and a map light under dash. I bought the car out of a junkyard in '74 for 20 bucks.

wmsteed
09-09-2010 @ 8:47 AM
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Shame on you 'Warren' for morphing newer Ford parts into your '36 Ford.. JUST KIDDING.. I think it is pretty cleaver, the adaptation of a newer radio to an original '36 radio head.
I used a '41 Ford convertible top lift, w/original wire loom and switch, to make a remote lift for the deck lid on my '36 coupe. I also used '38 Ford 'B' pillar interior lights for under dash courtesy lights in the quarter panel kick panels.
I did not like the looks of the Ford door pin review mirrors so I used Volks Wagon Bug door pin mirrors.. They fit like originals yet are tighter to the body, in lieu of sticking out like "truck mirrors".
On the tire cover issue; Since published data has established that the "August Cover" came out in August '36, then.. any car built before that date, regardless if the car is Standard or Deluxe, would have the more common cover with the simulated hub cap in the center.
In order to be correct, a car with the "August Cover" would have to have a VIN placing it in August production or later, regardless if the car is a Standard or Deluxe.

Bill
36 5 win delx cpe

1883warren
09-09-2010 @ 9:09 PM
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Howdy Bill... Yea, I did cheat. But.. I did the rebuild on that '54 radio myself, as have done lots of them, and others...for others. Sine the '54 radio is smaller, it is nearly out of sight under the dash. When I put in the roof, I used new chicken wire and kept it insulated on the new wood bows I made too. Antenna wire is soldered to that and shielded cable to the radio ant' plug. We live in Milaca MN and I can pull in WHO in Des Moines Iowa anytime in early evening. Try THAT with the AM in your modern car...
The dash 'head' I got on eBay was in really bad condition, but I was able to make it work, and look nice too. $60 for that 'gem'...
We drive our cars a LOT. No 'trailer queens' here. We do ALL our own work...all of it. Wife does the sewing and I do the fitting of upholstery. I'm 77 and have done many fords, for many years. I do a lot of custom work for others... all Fords. I've driven these old V8's hundreds of thousands of miles, and they are hard to beat. I raced Model A's in the early years, including the official drag strips of the day.
Yep... Ford V8's are neat and the name of the game is having fun with them, and that means DRIVING 'EM !!!

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