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Posted By Discussion Topic: Electric Fuel Pump -- page: 1 2 3     rawlir 03-17-2022 @ 7:40 PM reply profile send p.m. New Member Posts: 152 Joined: Oct 2009 Is installing electric fuel pumps acceptable for Dearborn concourse judging? Kens 36 03-18-2022 @ 7:08 AM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 405 Joined: Oct 2009 Per the Early Ford V-8 Club's judging manual: Effective for National Meets in 2017 forward, there will be no deduction for electric fuel pumps as long as they are neatly installed near the fuel tank and are not the primary means for providing fuel to the engine, i.e., the mechanical fuel pump must not be disabled. Ken kubes40 03-18-2022 @ 1:28 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3577 Joined: Oct 2009 This continues to baffle me. So, if an incorrect electric pump is installed and no point deduction is given, then an incorrect mechanical pump must surely be okay and no deduction given for that either. Mike "Kube" Kubarth Kens 36 03-19-2022 @ 6:57 AM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 405 Joined: Oct 2009 No, Michael. That is not the case. The Judging Standards Committee made the decision to allow auxiliary fuel pumps within the guidelines given. They did not change the rules regarding correct mechanical fuel pumps. All judges are expected to follow the rules as prescribed by the JSC. Ken kubes40 03-19-2022 @ 9:34 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3577 Joined: Oct 2009 Perhaps you might expound to exactly how this rule change came about. Seems to me, if a guy has the desire, he can get the car to start and run just fine on the stock pump. I have never found the need for an electric pump. Changing the rules to accommodate those that either don't know how to repair their vehicle properly or simply don't want to expend the energy seems counter-intuitive. Mike "Kube" Kubarth Kens 36 03-19-2022 @ 1:40 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 405 Joined: Oct 2009 Mike, Not being a member of the JSC, I was not present for the JSC deliberations on this matter, but once they made the decision, it became part of the judging rules. The intent of my first response was to answer the original posters questions with the correct facts as they exist. Judges at Early Ford V-8 Club meets do not make the rules; this has been the responsibility of the JSC since the judging system used today originated over 40 years ago. Judges are then responsible to apply the rules to the vehicle being judged. Whether they agree with a particular rule is immaterial. They owe it to the member to apply the rules as they are written and made available to members. Complaining about a rule that you don't personally like in a forum such as this or on the Fordbarn is not productive. Any Early Ford V-8 Club member can reach out to the JSC if they have suggestions on the rules or the judging system. I'm sure that the gentleman who was then the JSC Chairman would be happy to discuss this matter with you and the rationale for the change. By the way, the JSC is a volunteer organization and is always open to new members with new ideas. Ken kubes40 03-19-2022 @ 3:52 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3577 Joined: Oct 2009 I wasn't complaining. I was searching for an explanation within the forum, a place I was under the impression was precisely for seeking information. Perhaps this thread would be productive if an explanation was offered as to why the rules were changed. Mike "Kube" Kubarth len47merc 03-20-2022 @ 6:22 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1168 Joined: Oct 2013 Ken, although I do not have the rules in front of me, and am only recalling this from my 66 year-old memory, and also in support of Mike's related comments - the rule I recall was written to allow for the ADDITION of an electric fuel pump but NOT as a substitution and/or replacement of the stock, original, mechanical pump. Basically, and again from recall, it was allowed as a safety add as a backup for those that tour their cars to meets, long drives, etc. If a car subjected to judging does not have a functioning mechanical fuel pump or no original, stock fuel pump at all it will receive applicable points deductions. An additional intent, again as I recall, was also to ensure the addition of the electric pump would be done so to ensure it being mounted inconspicuously and virtually out of sight, almost requiring the use of a mirror to see it from under the vehicle. I have seen installations done this well (including the switch being hidden under the dash) but never felt the need to go there myself. Kind of anal retentive personally on originality, Ford engineering and confidence in properly maintained equipment. I share Mike's perspective completely and have never found the need for an electric fuel pump in an all original, stock, properly restored and maintained fuel delivery system. Steve 1934 Ford 03-20-2022 @ 9:38 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 582 Joined: Oct 2009 I too agree there is no need for electric fuel pumps on Early Ford V8's. 2022 marks 50 years for me with Early Ford V8's. Several 34's, a 35, a 40 a 41. With 42 National tours and never felt the need for an electric fuel pump on a Early Ford V8. Same applies to 12 Volt electrical systems. 1934 Ford's since 1972 Big Red 51 03-21-2022 @ 7:18 AM reply profile send p.m. New Member Posts: 194 Joined: Oct 2009 Folks, I have been driving, on highways, "Early Fords" for 76 years starting with a '41 Lincoln and currently a 1953 Victoria. I have never owned or used a trailer, I drive to meets from the East Coast. I happily put an electric fuel pump on my multiple Emeritus '53 in 2018 for strictly safety reasons because I drive the modern Interstates for the same reason I use quality radial tires. The EAB engine with OD likes to cruise in the high 60's. If you have ever been boxed in the center or inside lane with 4 eighteen- wheelers surrounding you and your coil or condenser fails from heat problems, you will be happy you have a pump to assist you to get to safety. Yes even Eichlen can fail now-days too. Nuff said. Don

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