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BRL

11-22-2021 @ 7:25 AM

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Hi:
I am the new owner of a 37 Phaeton (all original) with the 6.00-16 wheels and tires. Tires are getting a bit dry so I want to replace them. I understand that most tire changing shops now do not have the right machines to change/balance these antique style tires for the early Ford wide 5 wheels. So I want to buy my own adapter to loan a tire shop when they do my wheels. As far as I can tell, there is nobody that sells an adapter with the 1/2-20 studs that I would need. Does anyone know of one for sale? I am not interested in buying a old drum and using it. So if nobody knows of a adapter, I am just going to buy an adapter from Speedway Motors and press out their 5/8 studs (their adapter is for a racing application) and buy and install 1/2 studs and then have it spin balanced...does any one have a better idea?
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11-22-2021 @ 12:18 PM

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take the tires/rims to a Firestone/ Bridgestone tire store, the use a new style machine which collaspes the tire and a rim clamp base to remove, my son is the manager of such a store and he does them for me with no problem

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11-22-2021 @ 12:32 PM

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How does the tire shop spin (dynamically) balance the tire/wheel assembly without an adapter to mount it on the balancing machine?

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11-22-2021 @ 4:29 PM

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Mounting/dismounting a wide five rim isn't an issue with the modern tire machines. As far as the adapter issue goes this issue came up on another forum regarding the 5/8 stud issue. IIRC there is a Dorman 1/2" stud that has the same shoulder as the 5/8" stud on the Speedway adapter. But then again I could be imagining things. Another option is to use a wide five front drum as an adapter. If you go that route you need to have the drum balanced first. Or you can use balance beads. I tried to send you a PM with another option but your PM function is disabled.

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BRL

11-23-2021 @ 8:04 AM

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Hi Guys:
Thanks for the ideas. Some of you are correct in saying the modern machines can mount and dismount the tires with no problem. The problem is really with the spin balancing machines...this is where the adapter is needed. I think I will go ahead and buy the Speedway Motors adapter and find the studs (yes, I have heard there is a Dorman brand stud that fits the holes in the adapters) and see how it all works out. If it is successful I will post on the forum what parts I bought to make the adapter and if it needs spin balancing.
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11-24-2021 @ 10:36 AM

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You might also try posting your question here: https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/ and here: https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=4

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Be sure to balance the adapter before using it.

BRL

12-10-2021 @ 9:39 AM

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Hi All:
So I bought a wheel adapter from Speedway Motors, p/n 91658250...you can also buy their adapter p/n91658251...they just have different inner lug patterns which is not important for this application. Both have a center hole which is about 3-1/8" diameter which will fit on all modern wheel balancing machines. I unthreaded the 5/8-18 lugs on the adapter and pressed in Dorman p/n 610-092 studs which are 1/2-20 thread. I used a 12 ton press and it was a pretty hard press so if you try this with a smaller press you are not going to get them in...I really should have drilled out the 5/8-18 threaded holes a little bit so the press would be easier but you are going to have to invest in a big drill bit that is something like .6102 inch diameter which is not so common. So with the new studs in place, the adapter fits my OEM 37 Ford wide-5 wheels perfectly. I then took the adapter with lug nut cinched down to my local engine shop who has a balancing machine for cranks, flywheels, dampers, etc. He balanced the adapter by running it at 500 RPM. He got it balanced within 2.5 grams by removing 8 grams of material in two places...see drill spots in one of my photos. This is not a lot of mass to remove so I dont know if it is really necessary to do this but if nothing else it was a good check of how well centered all the hole patterns are on this adapter. So costs are about $63 for adapter, $21 for studs, $7.50 for lug nuts, $80 for balancing, and a little bit of elbow grease for removing lugs and pressing in new ones.
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BRL

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