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EFV-8 Club Forum / General Ford Discussion / 37 Fordor tranny shifter broken, no clue, help!

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1937sedandelivery

11-18-2018 @ 7:36 AM

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Hello,
I was driving my all original 37 Fordor (85HP) yesterday and when I downshifted to 2nd and came to a stop, I attempted to shift into 1st, the shifter felt loose and was flopping all around. It didn't feel right and could not get it into 1st. In fact, I couldn't get it into neutral or any other gear than 2nd. The shifter rod would just spin around. I tugged on it and it was loose and came out of the top of the tranny...what!
I have no clue what broke or came loose. I have never touched the tranny and know nothing about how it works or how to service it.
How is the shifter secured to the tranny?
Did something break or come loose?
Do I need to pull the tranny (and engine?) to fix this?

Your help/comments are appreciated.

As a side note, the car has always stuttered/chattered quite a bit when starting out in 1st. I figure that could be the clutch/flywheel either being oily or warped. My point is, it shutters the car a lot every time I start in 1st and have been concerned about it breaking something. I believe the anti-chatter rods are secure and in good shape, but will verify when I jump into this mess.

Thanks,
gregg

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11-18-2018 @ 9:36 AM

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This is not a disaster, the collar that holds the shift lever in place has come loose. To replace the lever, get the transmission in neutral and then put the shift lever in the slot and tighten down the collar.

Your clutch chatter could be caused by front and rear motor mounts. If they are loose or the cushions too soft, you will have chatter. They should be tightened just enough to easily get the cotter pin through the nut and both the upper and lower cushions should be tight against the frame.

Tom

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11-18-2018 @ 9:41 AM

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No need to pull the transmission at this time. There a six bolts that secure the shifter housing assembly to the transmission case. Remove these bolts and the entire assembly will lift off the case for inspection. It's similar to the '34 transmission in attached picture. You should be able to find drawings and the parts you will need at this link > http://vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/FH_images/FH_trans-pics/Flathead_Trans_1936-52-LD3spd.jpg

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11-18-2018 @ 1:30 PM

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The shift lever is held in position by a round pin on the right side of the lever that engages a slot in the shift lever underneath the retaining collar. Perhaps that pin sheared from wear or the hole in the shift lever housing where the pin inserts is badly worn to the point that the pin fell out. Or the slot in the shift lever is worn to the point where the shift lever has slipped past the slot. It also might be a combination of those possibilities.

If the pin is gone from the hole in the shift lever housing or has been partially sheared off, all or part of it may have fallen down into the transmission case. Those pins were made so as to be durable, as in hard. If not fished out of your transmission case, it could eventually find its way on to the gears and the resulting contest for space won't be won by the gears. If the pin is missing your best bet is to drain the transmission fluid and fish for the pin with a small magnet (the kind on the end of a long flexible shaft) and flashlight.

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11-18-2018 @ 3:01 PM

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Thanks everybody for the help and information.
Luck is with me and it wasn't as bad as I led everyone to think. Turns out, the shifter collar (that is spring loaded and screws onto the housing) came unscr*w*d, probably after 81 years of use. There is a chance that I had unscr*w*d it (and forgot to screw it back in) to get new floor mats in, but I honestly don't remember doing that. In any case, problem is solved, unless the test drive shows up something.
I did have to try a 1/2 dozen times to get the shifter in correctly. Looking down into the hole, there is a notched piece on the left and something similar on the right. I had to position them correctly to get the gearing aligned properly. And, the pin was fine, still sitting in the right side hole in the side.
Whew!
gregg

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