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11-30-2017 @ 2:31 PM

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That's because it was made for a Ford, not a VW.... :o)

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11-30-2017 @ 2:16 PM

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I bought one of these from Mac's and it absolutely did not fit

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Here's a picture of one > https://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_mercury_early/starter-attaching-bracket-to-oil-pan-at-rear-of-oil-pan-ford-v8-and-6-cylinder-except-60-hp.html

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11-30-2017 @ 12:18 PM

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Adding to TomO for clarity, if you have never seen the bracket or are not aware of where it is located, it is a small, angled piece of painted-black steel that holds the FRONT of the starter up and secures it to the block/oil pan.

Steve

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11-30-2017 @ 6:49 AM

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Wayne, check to see that the bracket that goes from the starter to the oil pan is in place. If it is missing, you could have this problem again almost any time.

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11-29-2017 @ 10:37 AM

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Update – Success!!! Eleanor is back on the road.

So - with my wife and daughter-in-law helping, we rocked the heck out her until suddenly I saw the engine pulleys move, then rocked some more to make sure I wasn’t seeing things. No sound, just started to move.

Threw the ignition switch and she started right up like her old self. Went for a nice long ride to make her and me feel better.

Current theory on what went wrong based on forum comments is that trying to start with the weak battery caused the Bendix to jam, and my previous attempts at rocking to disengage weren’t forceful enough leading me to suspect other things. I did get rid of a suspect battery and replaced it with one that actually is a better fit in the tray and tightened up all the connections, plus learning more about Early V8’s.

Anyway, many thanks to all who offered helpful suggestions leading to a good result. This is what the hobby is all about.

Wayne & Barb
'42 Super De Luxe Tudor

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11-29-2017 @ 9:01 AM

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Using the hand crank to try to turn over the engine would work.

I don't usually recommend it as when I tried it on my 40 Merc., I broke the center bar of the grill and damaged the radiator center piece. I could not hold the long extension straight enough to prevent the damage.

When the starter is stuck and you move the engine enough to free it, you usually hear a big bang. Can you get a helper to watch the engine while you try to push the car?

The 3.4 V you see at the battery, means the battery is not at full charge and the starter is requiring more current than the battery can supply. Your starter is most likely stuck. Rocking the car until the engine turns or removing the starter can free it up.

Make sure that you have the bracket that goes from the starter bolt head to the oil pan bolt.

Tom

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11-28-2017 @ 1:32 PM

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Try banging on the starter with a hammer--don't worry, you can't hurt it.

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Battery voltage drops from 6.3 v to 3.4 v on the battery side of the solenoid.

I had tried rocking it in gear before, but just tried again in 3rd gear really giving it a shove. Watching the belts, I can't say I saw the engine move, but when I tried it there did seem to be a different noise. Not a click but more of a brief motor turning (unless it was wishful thinking). So tried rocking some more but couldn't get it to repeat.

I do have the engine hand crank bar. Would it be worth seeing if I can turn it by hand?

Wayne & Barb
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11-28-2017 @ 12:04 PM

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I actually did try to rock the car in 3rd and in reverse. Will try again.

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