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49fordv8f4

05-02-2010 @ 3:01 PM

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I am in the process of restoring a 1949 F4 truck.
The original cowl to fender seal on my fenders is an extruded rubber seal that appears to be of the same material as a windshield or back glass seal and the same profile as the cowl to fender seal,(21C-16068) for a 1942-47 truck. It is also stapled to the flange of the fender like the 42-47 seal. All that I can find is the 7C-16068 seal which is a foam rubber material like a door weatherstrip. The 42-47 seal would work but they are cut too short for the 49-52 fenders.
Thanks, Mark Poley

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05-08-2010 @ 2:28 PM

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That seal is actually spongy, more like a door weatherstrip. It is available from any supplier of parts for the '48-'52 trucks.

Richard

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05-09-2010 @ 9:01 AM

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Richard, I ordered from Dennis Carpenter 7C-16068 cowl to fender seal. I did not know when I ordered it that I was sponge rubber like a door weatherstrip. It is nothing like the original seal that my truck had on it. The seal my truck has is very similar if not identical to the 21C-16068 seal for a 42-47 truck. It was stapled to the fender flange with staples about 3/8" wide and about 3" apart. My truck is an F4 assembled in Kansas City, I don't know if the trucks larger than F1 used the seal like mine or if it was a regional assembly plant difference. I have a 51 F2 parts truck, also assembled in KC, that used the same seal. Thanks for your reply, Mark Poley

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05-10-2010 @ 5:58 AM

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The sponge anti-squeak was used on all of the '48-'52 conventional cabs through F-8. If you had something different, it was probably added later.

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05-10-2010 @ 9:42 AM

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Richard, My 49 F4 is a very original truck with 65,000 actual miles, a barn find in Kansas bought from the family of the original owner who used it as a grain truck. There is no question that the fender to cowl seal is original to the truck. I have seen and owned other 49-51 trucks with the same seal and have talked to other collectors of these models,in my search for the correct seal,that have told me that their trucks had the same seal as mine when they disassembled them for restoration. Thanks Again for your reply,Mark

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05-10-2010 @ 6:27 PM

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If you check a Ford parts manual, it only lists one seal, anti-squeak, part number 7C-16068, which is a '47 part number used on '48 and later trucks, but who knows how it was made. I saw one very original '51 truck near Atlanta some years ago, and it had the sponge anti-squeak. My truck didn't have any anti-squeak when I got it, so I don't know what actually came on it, but I do know that there were no staple holes in the fender flanges like there were on other parts that have seals stapled to them. It could be that the earlier trucks had a different seal that was replaced on later models by the sponge seal with the same part number which would mean that it is a replacement for the earlier seal.

I believe that Dennis Carpenter makes the sponge anti-squeak (or did before everything moved to China). He may still have someone on his staff that knows the answer.

Richard

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05-12-2010 @ 7:01 PM

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Richard, It is possible that the foam seal superceded the seal that my truck has. I wonder if different assembly plants may have installed the seal like mine longer than other plants did also? I have a 51 F2 that has staples in the fender flange like my 49, both assembled in KC plant. I also had a 49 F1 parts truck I recently sold that had staples and remnants of the rubber seal like mine has, it was assembled in Memphis. I don't know if it would be possible to staple the foam seal without cutting all the way thru it, But maybe they were also stapled on also, I don't know. Maybe someone can answer that.
I have a foam seal set I ordered from Dennis Carpenter, but I really wanted to use a seal like my truck came with originally. I also like the looks of the original seal better. I talked to a man in the tech dept at Dennis Carpenter and told him that my truck had the 21C-16068 style seal in place of the 7C-16068 seal and asked if they would cut me a 21C-16068 seal long enough to fit my 49 fenders as the 42-47 fenders are about 6" shorter. He said that they would not do a special order and did not want to discuss the fact that my truck had a different seal than the one they sold for it. Bob Drake told me that if they hadn't sent their tooling for the 21C seal to Taiwan they would gladly walk out to the extruder and cut me what ever I needed. Now they come from Taiwan already cut and packaged.
I don't mean to imply that the foam seal that everyone sells for the 48-52 trucks is not correct, it is correct and would work on my truck but I know that it is not what it originally came from the factory with.I have found through my other post on this subject,I accidentally posted the same message twice, Tom O. replied and told me of Metro Moulded Products. I ordered a seal from them and I think they have what I have been looking for. They sell their seals by the foot. I will post when I get it.
Thanks Again for your reply, Mark

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05-13-2010 @ 8:58 AM

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I have a very original '48 F-1. As the attached picture shows, there is a seal with an exposed flap between the fender and the cab from the bottom of the door (not from the running board) up to the cowl. After that it appears as if the "foam" type seal may be between the body and the fender all the way over to and down the grill. I really can't see into the joint very well, but it does appear that there's something in there. I doubt that Henry would have left it metal-to-metal.

So - maybe everyone is right!! One style for part of the joint and "foam" for the rest!!

Hope this helps!!

Norm

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05-13-2010 @ 11:44 AM

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Norm:

The foam seal looks like your picture. Most of the bolted joints on the front of the truck have an anti-squeak. This oil impregnated fabric is about an inch wide and about a 1/16-inch thick. There is a list of all of the parts it's used with somewhere in the Ford parts book, but the list is hard to find (for me anyway). It comes in a coil from suppliers in a length more than sufficient for all the joints. Nothing is used between the rear fender and the bed, and nothing is used where the running boards attach to the fenders. The rubber anti-squeak (sponge or solid?) is used between the front fenders and the cab at the rear of the front fenders from the top of the fender (rear of the inner fender or apron) to below the cab, or at least the ones I have seen go below the cab. Since I was a kid when they were new, I have never seen an original or correctly restored Ford truck older than my '51 (I have been deprived)!

Ain't these old trucks interesting?

Richard

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05-13-2010 @ 1:10 PM

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The Ford Truck Parts Book for 1948 to 1956 trucks lists this part as 16068 "Anti-squeak (front fender to cowl)". For 1948-1950 the complete number would be 7C-16068. If you have a copy, look at the Illustration volume, Section 160, Page 346, Illustration P-720.

The G&G on-line catalog shows this part ($15 for a pair) with a picture that shows a profile that could match what's on my truck (it's not very distinct, so look carefully). The Ford book illustration shows it in the same position my picture shows.

The piece on my truck doesn't seem like foam or sponge would be an appropriate decription, since it's hard and resists bending - maybe old age and elastomer degradation.

Anyway, I think that's the right part.

Hope this helps!!

Norm

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