Post to the EFV-8 Forum
Post Classified Ads
Shop the Online Store

User Login

Not Registered Yet? Click Here to Sign Up!

Early Ford V-8 Club Forum

FORUM RULES: Users agree to these Rules when using Forum.

The site administrator reserves the right to change the terms and conditions of the user agreement without prior notice to the user. It is the responsibility of the user to regularly review the terms of this agreement.

The user agrees to the following terms:

All information that you provide to us for your membership is correct.
You will not use your membership to spam, harrass, or exploit other members in any way.
Vulgar, Abusive, Racist and Sexist Language will not be tolerated.
Commercial-type sales postings will not be allowed.
No mass posting or flooding of the boards is allowed.
No Advertising of parts or cars; no Ebay or business/commercial ads (please use the "Classified" for ads Wanted or For Sale).
VIEWING MULTIPLE TOPICS ON SCREEN: You can choose to see more than 10 Topics at a time ... Log In and choose "Preferences" from the top bar on the Forum page. Scroll down and Change the "Default Topics Returned" parameter to 25 or 50, and save the changes. Since this setting is stored in your browser 'cookies' (if enabled), it seems to use that stored value even if you are not logged in. So, if you use a PC that you haven't logged into the forum from, the setting still seem to remain at the default.
EXTERNAL PHOTO LINKS ON FORUM: You can still use external photo links in your posts on the new forum. They follow the rules of any link in that they have to have the URL link qualified down to the full image file name (example: .jpg). The links will open in a new browser window, the same as an uploaded image attached to a post. Since an image attachment to any post does not display inline with the post, the results are the same. You can use multiple external links within a post. This link is from photos on a site from Don Clink's 'Deuce@75' albums:

http://donclink.com/deuce_75_1/images/dscn2950.jpg

Using links from photo sites such as Photobucket can help in "size" issue with uploaded attachment files. For best viewing in web browsers, photos should be around the 800x600 pixel range, and probably not more than 1024x768. Most cameras today store HUGE jpg image files, as the default settings are in the 7, 8, 10, and 12Mb image sizes. The image files that are then attached are very large, and the browser can't display the full image size without using the scroll bars. Use the re-sizing functions of your photo editing software to reduce the image to 800x600, which reduces the file sixe and the image load time in the browser. Don uses Google's free Picassa3 software, which is an excellent photo management product. All of the photo albums of the Deuce, Grand National, and Auburn that are links on the NORG site were built using Picassa's web creation functions. And it's free? (THANKS to Don Clink for the info!)
HOW DO I SHOW MY EMAIL ADDRESS ALONG WITH MY USERNAME? You can LogIn on the Forum, and select PREFERENCES. On this page Members can add optional information such as their City,State, Country; Occupation; Hobbies: list a Homepage; list AOL Instant Messanger Handle; Signature; "Make Email Address viewable to others;" and even change the number of Default Topics shown on a page. WHEN others click on your profile, they will see this information.

EFV-8 Club Forum / General Mercury Discussion / Early 1951 Mercury 4dr. sedan

Reply to Discussion | New Discussion

<< previous || next >>

Posted By

Discussion Topic: Early 1951 Mercury 4dr. sedan

Alaska Jim

02-01-2021 @ 11:15 PM

reply profile send p.m.

Member
Posts: 5
Joined: Feb 2021

Hello, I am new to this forum, and I have a few questions about removing the 3sp. with o/d transmission from my car. I have a service manual for it , but it does not address my question. The manual says that there are 2 options when it comes to removing the trans. option one involves removing the seat and carpet and removing a floor plate. the manual goes on to give details on this removal. It then states option 2 is to remove the transmission from the bottom . There is where the problem is. it does not go into any details. My question is, can the transmission be removed from the bottom? Is there enough clearance for the governor, and the solenoid? I have done 3 speed transmissions on early Fords before ( 49- 57 ), but that was close to 40 years ago. I am 70 years old and am a retired mechanic, and am capable of doing the job, just looking for some tips and advice, as I am not as strong as i used to be, and have a bad back. getting up and down and crawling under the car takes longer than it used to. any help, or tips/advice, information is appreciated thank you. Jim, Palmer, Alaska

TomO

02-03-2021 @ 7:29 AM

reply profile send p.m.

Senior
Posts: 7243
Joined: Oct 2009

Welcome to the Forum. The 51 Mercury was my favorite of the 3 years of that body style.

It has been many years since I have been under a 51 Mercury, so I don't remember how easy it is to remove the transmission from below and if there are any special clearance issues. I think that no instructions were provided because the steps would be easy to see when you had the car up on a lift. I believe that it would be difficult without a good transmission jack to remove it from below. Rent the best jack that you can find if you intend to go that route.

Jack the car up and put it on jack stands. Then take a look at what is involved with doing it from below.

Good Luck

Tom

This message was edited by TomO on 2-3-21 @ 7:37 AM

Alaska Jim

02-03-2021 @ 1:00 PM

reply profile send p.m.

Member
Posts: 5
Joined: Feb 2021

Thanks Tom, I already have it up in the air. I do not have a lift, just jack stands. I am a retired mechanic. It looks doable, but is a bit tight because of the overdrive stuff ( solenoid, governor, kickdown switch, and wiring . ) I suspect you are right about the reason there is no info in the manual about removal from the bottom.. Thanks again for your help. I will start on it this evening, just doing a little at a time , probably take me forever, might have it done before the snow melts, lol.

TomO

02-04-2021 @ 7:59 AM

reply profile send p.m.

Senior
Posts: 7243
Joined: Oct 2009

Make sure that you have access to a good transmission jack. Handling that weight while on your back is challenging to younger people who are accustomed to lifting similar weights.

I was 75 when I helped my son remove the transmission from his Explorer and it was quite a stress. He is accustomed to working with heavy items and originally did not want to use my transmission jack. He changed his mind when the cross member was the only support for the trans and it took the 2 of us to lower it onto a dolly. We used the jack to put it back in and it made the job much easier.

I did not think that the snow in Alaska ever melted. We currently have 2 snowfalls on the ground, one at 8.9" and the other at 11.2". We are also heading for cold wave, so it will be around for a couple of weeks.

Tom

This message was edited by TomO on 2-4-21 @ 8:02 AM

sarahcecelia

02-05-2021 @ 6:37 AM

reply profile send p.m.

Senior
Posts: 1166
Joined: Mar 2013

Tom, I was in Alaska a few years back, in August. It was in the 90's out and hotter than Hades! The lady I was with said, "Let's go in that bar across the street and get a beer-the windows are closed so it's probably air conditioned!" It was; and what a relief that was!! When we got back to Florida and I told them how hot is was up there, nobody believed me!! I wouldn't, believe it either if I hadn't experienced it in person!

Regards, Steve Lee

Alaska Jim

02-05-2021 @ 11:25 PM

reply profile send p.m.

Member
Posts: 5
Joined: Feb 2021

Yes, it does get hot here on occasion , especially in the interior section of the state. we like a/c in our cars, when the sun is shining in through the windows it is way to hot sometimes, even in the winter.

Alaska Jim

02-05-2021 @ 11:28 PM

reply profile send p.m.

Member
Posts: 5
Joined: Feb 2021

Tom, I have already made arrangements to borrow a transmission jack, at 70, I to am not as strong as I used to be. I remember doing these and even the Mustang top loader transmissions without a jack, just plain brute strength. oh to be young and dumb. lol.

sarahcecelia

02-14-2021 @ 1:02 PM

reply profile send p.m.

Senior
Posts: 1166
Joined: Mar 2013

Be sure to put something under the bell housing to support the motor, so you don't strain the front motor mounts!! (The rear mount of the transmission is doing that now.) The hardest thing is disconnecting the overdrive "Lockout" "lock in" cable at top, left side, of the transmision, and reconnecting it! I suggest re-connecting it after you bolt it to the bell housing, before you raise the tail end up to install the rear mount parts. (It makes it a "Little"easier to get at that way) Also, if you have to add any trans oil or change it; do it while you have it out!!; and remember- you have to fill the Front and Rear SEPERATELY!! It won't auto fill from the gear housing, to the o'drive housing!! And DONT USE MODERN GEAR OIL!! It has things in it that will ruin any brass in ithe trans. unit. You can get the right gear oil and questions answered by Randy Rundle (propietor) of Fifth AVE. Garage, Clay Center, Kansas City , Kansas.
!!

Regards, Steve Lee

Alaska Jim

03-06-2021 @ 11:39 PM

reply profile send p.m.

Member
Posts: 5
Joined: Feb 2021

Steve, Thank you for the information, and suggestions. I am going to reinstall the transmission tomorrow.

rotorwrench

03-10-2021 @ 1:11 PM

reply profile send p.m.

Member
Posts: 59
Joined: Jul 2012

There are special tools listed in the fully updated 1949 thru 51 Lincoln Mercury Overhaul manual. Pulling the cover over the transmission took me a lot of work the last time I did it, due to the sealer around the edges. It requires a lifting device to do the job and another special tool if a person has the OEM stuff. The transmission will move aft far enough to clear the front input shaft but it is tight. They had a beam that attached to the frame to hold the rear of the engine but finding tools like that would be difficult in the modern era.

If you have the early 51, it should have the same type set up as the 1949 & 50 models with very few exceptions. Later 51 cars had the new style transmission and large cast iron bell housing. Either one can be removed but the rear cross member should be removed and that can be a bear too. Not an easy task with the X type frame members.

This message was edited by rotorwrench on 3-10-21 @ 1:12 PM

<< previous || next >>

NOTE: YOU MUST BE A REGISTERED USER AND BE LOGGED IN TO POST (and reply to) messages in this forum. If you are a first time user, please click the CREATE A NEW ACCOUNT in the masthead above to register and Log In. After that, all you do is LOG IN to enjoy using this site.

DISCLAIMER: The V-8 Club does no independent testing of any of the opinions, thoughts or suggestions presented in the website on the Forum, in the Tech Tips section, or any section. A reader should consider the website to be a forum wherein differing solutions to a particular set of circumstances may be discussed. Ultimately, the selection of an item for an individual's vehicle must be based upon the independent study of the vehicle owner in consultation with people in the hobby and restoration experts.

Early Ford V-8 Club Forum

Merchandise Questions

Membership Questions