Attached are pictures of the greyhound accessory found on my 1936 year car. From my research the greyhound hood attachment was a dealer accessory an owner could purchase back in pre-1937 selling year cars.
There are a lot of reproductions out there and I want to be sure what I have is an genuine original greyhound accessory that was purchased in 1936.
My 1936 Tudor Touring Deluxe to my knowledge an original ordered deluxe car complete with banjo steering wheel, mirror clock, radio, full line of instrument gauges, chrome grille, chrome horn grille's, chrome window frame, two tail lights, and accessory polished trim rings around wheels. All of these features point to an original greyhound so it would seem if they went all out on ordering the deluxe features new in 1936.
Could you all please evaluate this greyhound and give me your expert opinions as to if this is a genuine original 1936 accessory or an aftermarket later reproduction.
One thing to mention, underside of greyhound is stamped " F 36". Prior to polishing, greyhound chrome patina matched that of the grille and other metal items on car. I have since polished the greyhound, hood pictures show the greyhound polished. To my knowledge the greyhound has been on the car for a very long time if not since new in 1936. I do not have any solid evidence of this though and hope you all can help out.
Thanks
Jon Ketron
1936 Ford V8 Deluxe Tudor Touring Sedan
Jon Ketron
1936 Ford V8 Deluxe Tudor Touring Sedan
Jon Ketron
1936 Ford V8 Deluxe Tudor Touring Sedan
Jon Ketron
1936 Ford V8 Deluxe Tudor Touring Sedan
Jon Ketron
1936 Ford V8 Deluxe Tudor Touring Sedan
I'm eager to see the replies the '36 expert(s) weigh in with. Lord knows I've a lot to learn about '36 Fords and learn I will with their help.
I had understood that domestic '36 Fords did not offer a Greyhound ornament. Yes? No?
I do know that accessories offered at dealers were not necessarily Ford authorized. I wonder if that's the case here.
C'mon experts... tell me please
Mike "Kube" Kubarth
Jon, being that your ’36 is an Ohio car, your greyhound is almost certainly an aftermarket item. Whether it was sold by the dealer at the time of purchase cannot be known in the absence of documentation of the sale, but it was not a Ford-authorized accessory. There were a number of after-market manufacturers back “in the day.”
While Ford in the U.S. did not offer such an accessory, Ford of Canada did, as has been well documented by Don Rogers. Don has further stated that Ford of Canada supplied the accessory greyhound on all DeLuxe ’36 Fords when they introduced the wood-grained dash in mid-1936.
There is a long-standing belief that an “original” greyhound can be distinguished from aftermarket by the presence of a free-standing tail. In fact, the ’36 brochure from Ford of Canada appears to show the tail attached to the rear leg.
Ken
An anomaly on my car is the "Aug 36" spare tire cover, reputedly a Standard tire cover, in lieu of the common '36 tire cover.
I am the second owner of the car, have owned it since Sept 52. the odometer had 51.k and change when I bought the car.
With all of the accessories on my '36, one could assume that the original owner of the car went nuts buying everything in the book, however, he did not opt for a greyhound.
I believe that it has been well documented that the majority of the accessories installed on new cars during the '30's/40's were dealer installed.
Bill
36 5 win delx cpe
With the '34 models, Ford offered a Stant-manufactured die cast zinc Greyhound radiator cap as an authorized accessory. Like the Lincoln caps and radiator ornaments, its tail was freestanding. Except for the Ford of Canada 1936 model exception, Ford did not offer a Greyhound cap or ornament as an authorized accessory during any other model year.
As indicated above there were several makers of aftermarket caps and ornaments, none of whose caps were a Ford-authorized accessory and none had free-standing tails. If a customer wanted one, a Ford dealer would likely be happy to furnish an aftermarket product. In recent times, some other not-originally-offered-by-Ford versions such as Greyhound caps for '32s and '33s have been created.
P.S. Your Columbia rear axle is another example of a non-Ford-authorized accessory either sold and installed by a Ford dealer or other seller/installer of the Columbia axles.
Mike "Kube" Kubarth
As I stated in my earlier contribution to this thread, it is well documented that the majority of the accessories on the vehicles of the '30's/40's were dealer installed.
I worked in a Ford Dealership in Eastern Idaho during the early '50's. The majority of the vehicles we processed in the new car prep area came in very plain, standard hood ornaments, steering wheels, hub caps, radio/heater, etc. Ford saved a lot of money in freight charges per vehicle, even to the point that the vehicles came in DRY, no oil, water, fuel. Hub caps were locked in the trunk.
Bill
36 5 win delx cpe
The fact that you bought your car from the original owner in 1952 doesn't hold a lot of "proof" that it's just like it left the dealer. The car was sixteen years old when you bought it and worth nearly nothing. A lot happened to that car just to keep it on the road in those first sixteen years.
And, even if the original owner provided you a receipt from the original dealership to the first owner, does not mean everything installed is correct.
We all know dealers loaded up the cars with whatever they could to make a profit. That has zero (necessarily) to do with what's correct.
Mike "Kube" Kubarth
So we know this greyhound is an "non-Ford authorized domestic accessory" since this was a domestic car (thank you for this clarification). Although, perhaps a possibility that a Ford dealer provided this aftermarket greyhound back in 1936 upon customer purchase of this car brand new if requested by the customer (or dealer promotion). Is there any way to tell what year this aftermarket greyhound was manufactured??? "F 36" resides casted into the metal underneath the ornament attachment area if this provides any clues. I would really like to discover if this is a genuine 1930's era manufactured aftermarket part for 1936 or something made "later" after the 1930's time period. The fit and finish mount over the "V8" on the previous pictures shows a rather interesting fit over the "8". The metal arched edge is not a perfect fit siting behind the "8".
If this is a period aftermarket part that we know was produced in the 1930's (1936) I will leave it on the car. If its a re-pro made after WWII, I will likely take it off the car. The only thing that has me scratching my head is the patina of the greyhound (prior to polishing) matched that of the original grille and surrounding original metal areas (this car has never been restored cosmetically/mechanically). I would think if a greyhound was added later the patina would not match the rest of the original metal patina on the car. Just a thought.
Please let me know your thoughts, would like to close out this head scratcher!
Jon Ketron
1936 Ford V8 Deluxe Tudor Touring Sedan
Steve
because he is a veterinarian.
Frank
Steve in Denver
If you like the greyhound and the looks of it leave it on! I had one on my 36 Tudor sedan I used to own. If nothing else it’s amusing when those who don’t know better comment on your classic jaguar. That happened to me many times. Unlike dual exhaust or other add-on items this would be very easy to remove if you decided to.
Bill
36 5 win delx cpe
Mike "Kube" Kubarth
https://forums.aaca.org/topic/346570-1932-1933-and-1934-greyhound-radiator-caps/
Tom
I have decided to leave the greyhound on the car for now. It really complement's the car and the factory "V8" hood emblem. I am hoping the case is that this hound is a circa 1936 year made aftermarket part that was ordered and put on by the first owner at the dealership back in 1936 upon purchase! We may never really know. I appreciate all the responses and answering my questions.
Jon Ketron
1936 Ford V8 Deluxe Tudor Touring Sedan
This message was edited by Ketronj281989 on 9-15-20 @ 4:11 PM
I had both my '36 roadster as well as friends here this past week. Mine doesn't have the dog - his does. My wife liked his better.
My point being as Mike stated earlier... if you like it, go for it!
Mike "Kube" Kubarth
Tom
Mike "Kube" Kubarth
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Mike "Kube" Kubarth
Your greyhound seems to be to heavy in the legs and lacking in smooth finish to be original.
In 1972 when I bought my first 1934 Ford, J.C. Whitney offered the 34 Greyhound for $9.95. I was pround of it,
but it had the same problems as yours. Later stainless steel greyhounds replaced my J.C. Whitney one, they are
much better detailed than my first ones at 1/7th the cost of the new brass ones.
I suspect yours is a early cheap reproduction, like my J. C. Whitney greyhound. (Which I still have) At my first
AACA Show I had a 3 flag holder that slipped below the dog on the radiator/grill. A judge, forever named
A--H---, opened my hood to judge and the flag holder couged my hood 's paint and flipped the greyhound to
the pavement, breaking his leg. I picked upthe foot and leg and showed the car for years with a white bandage
holding on. Finally after replacing the greyhound with stainless one, I cut the greyhound off at the hips, drilled
and tapped his butt and mounted him on the back of my 35 Ford Pickup's outside mirror. I've told that story so
times now I don't remember AH's real name, but I think it was Frank something.
Of course "it was my fault for not having my hood open for the judges".
1934 Ford's since 1972
Thank you very much for your response and analysis of my Greyhound. Sad to hear about your Greyhound, interesting story. Thanks for sharing!
Jon Ketron
1936 Ford V8 Standard Tudor Touring Sedan
Thanks for the responses and input!
Jon Ketron
1936 Ford V8 Standard Tudor Touring Sedan