| beau | -- 10-14-2010 @ 8:59 AM |
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Ok before I wear out my welcome here, let me explain, have a late 2dr Tudor with less than 65,000 mls , some time in the 80's someone put in seat covers and door panels , am up grading this car with a new upholstery ,,, now I recently aquired a barn find tudor that had a paint job back in the day but the interior wasn't touched and I am using this car as a guide. Now I have noticed a small welt bead at the bottom of the wind shield on the barn car but the other car doesn't have it , is this accurate and where can I get one, am taking alot of pictures of the interior to keep a record of this car.Thaks Beau
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| TomO | -- 10-14-2010 @ 10:17 AM |
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Yes, there should be a piece of welting at the top of the dash as shown in your photo. You can purchase the correct type of welting from Roy Nacewicz. Here is a link to his site. I would encourage you to take as many photos as you can of these original cars, to help document the original factory assembly quirks. Tom
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| kubes40 | -- 10-14-2010 @ 12:53 PM |
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Hey Beau, Don't worry about wearing out your welcome - that won't happen! There is a piece welt that surrounds the entire windshield (inner) frame. The welt is a very dark maroon color and as TomO stated can be had from Roy Nacewicz. The ends of the welt terminate behind the rear view mirror as well as at the very bottom - directly beneath the center (metal)trim piece. I can send detailed photos directly to you with your email address. Best regards, Mike Kubarth This message was edited by kubes40 on 10-27-10 @ 8:11 AM
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| beau | -- 10-14-2010 @ 7:40 PM |
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That would be greatly appreciated, as the barn find car appears to have had all the glass replaced some time in it's life, as you see in the picture that the welt only ran across the top of the dash, alway's looking for more details, Thanks beau sheltongandss@windstream.net
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| kubes40 | -- 10-15-2010 @ 6:15 AM |
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I just sent two photos to your email address. Please confirm receipt. Mike
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| beau | -- 10-15-2010 @ 11:16 AM |
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Yes thank You, I sent you back a reply Thanks Beau
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| TomO | -- 10-18-2010 @ 8:44 AM |
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Mike, I would like to clarify our answers about the welting. I think that my answer covered the closed cars and your answer covers the open cars (convertible and station wagon). The closed cars did not require wrapping the molding because the headliner acted as anti-squeak along the top and sides. The 1940 body parts catalog call for a 49 3/4" long piece of welting on the closed cars. That will not be enough to wrap around the the windshield molding, but it will be enough to go across the bottom of the windshield. The open cars have 2 pieces of welting that are 57" long and will wrap each side of the windshield molding and meet in the middle. The Mercury closed cars have a piece of welting 52" long and the open cars have 2 pieces 61.5" long. The welting is the same color as the dash, Briarwood brown for standard, Monaida maroon for Deluxe and Sea Mist Metallic for Mercury. Tom This message was edited by TomO on 10-18-10 @ 8:46 AM
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| trjford8 | -- 10-26-2010 @ 8:30 PM |
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TomO, you are correct about the closed car welting. All the original cars that I have viewed only had the welting running along the top of the dash and it cuved up slightly at the ends of the garnish and ended about 1-2 inches above the dash. The converts had the welting all the way around the garnish moldings.
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| kubes40 | -- 10-27-2010 @ 8:21 AM |
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I have to respectfully disagree that the closed cars had the welting terminate at each side. Also, there was as far as my experience has lent, only one color of welting supplied regardless of dash color. If you can provide proof that more than one color was supplied, I would like to see that. I am always willing to learn. I have currently and have had in the past extremely low mileage '40 Fords. Each and every one had the complete circumference of the windshield frames 'wrapped'. Mike
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| beau | -- 10-27-2010 @ 11:41 AM |
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Now I can't verify if the windshield has been replaced or not , fogging of glass prevents me from finding any bugs on the windshields,, but here is a pic of the corner where the welt terminates at the A pillar and dash.
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| kubes40 | -- 10-27-2010 @ 4:46 PM |
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Beau, If I had to play a hunch, I'd say what you have is authentic. The problem with these old Fords is they were built differently at different plants / differing times. This (variations) makes writing this 'new' '40 book so difficult. I have had NUMEROUS '40 Fords and have yet to see one trimmed as yours is. However, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. You've had a couple of experienced guys tell you something that differs with my beliefs. That makes me want to study this more thoroughly. I wish I could offer you a 100% definitive answer at this moment but in all fairness, I can't. At some point I am reasonably confident I will be able to ascertain how Ford 'intended' this to be done. Mike "Kube" Kubarth
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| TomO | -- 10-28-2010 @ 9:07 AM |
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Mike, I have never seen an original closed car with the welting wrapped around the windshield, but that doesn't mean that it could not have happened. The body parts catalog only shows the length of the strip(s) not the color, so I don't have proof that the colors of the welting were different between the standard and Deluxe models, just my memory of my cars from the early 50's. The cars were only 10-12 years old when I owned them, and did not have time for the color to fade away. A maroon welting would have stood out on a brown dash of the standard cars. Tom
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| kubes40 | -- 10-28-2010 @ 11:02 AM |
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Hi Tom, This color variation may in fact exist. You make a valid point. However, there is only one part number for this welt regardless of standard or deluxe model. That leads me to believe there was only one color. I have owned three extremely low mileage and unmolested 40 Fords. All three had the welt surround the entire frame.
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| 40fordor | -- 11-28-2010 @ 5:54 AM |
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Mike, I have a very original standard fordor (2nd owner 54,000 miles) that I replaced fogged windshields in 1959. The glass replacement was from a local Ford dealer's attic and original 40. When they replaced the inside window frames they did not replace the original welt because "it was too much trouble". Since I am a car packrat I keep the original welt and will pull it from storage. Will report on color and length. The color will be interesting for me because my 50 year memory says it was maroon on a standard car. Don
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| kubes40 | -- 11-28-2010 @ 6:04 AM |
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Hi Don, That would be interesting (the color). The length will still be up for discussion in my opinion regardless of what you find. From my personal experience, the welt surrounded the windshield entirely. Without proper documentation at this time, I'd suggest the cars were built two distinct ways. let me know what you find and thanks!!! Mike
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