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EFV-8 Club Forum / Light Commercial Truck Discussion / engine/trans orientation

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alanwoodieman
11-12-2018 @ 7:31 AM
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4 speed commercial 3/4 ton requires mount (actually rear retainer) 01Y-7085 40/47
3 speed commercial 3/4 ton requires mount 01D-7085 40/47

4 speed commercial 1/2 ton requires mount 81 C-7085--dirty/grease encrusted mount in picture 003

4 speed truck with parking brake on rear 01T-7085- clean one in picture 003

alanwoodieman
11-12-2018 @ 7:34 AM
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having trouble posting more than one picture

picture is of my 41 3/4 with 3 speed trans-note that the rubber mount pad you are referring to is actually embedded in the cross member on the underside--not the top

denofiniquity
11-12-2018 @ 12:10 PM
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May have mentioned this before, I think you are the one I purchased a cyl head, (A) from a cple yrs ago.
Were you able to see the pics I sent? I can send more but think in an e-mail would be a lot easier
I have both 3 speed and 4 speed. 4 speed came from either this chassis or the spare one. One is 4o and one is 41. This is 41. Both 3/4 tn. One whl base measures 122 and this one actually 121. Distance from front mounts to trans crossmember the same. Distance from face of bell to rear of trans, (mounting holes) is the same.
Both trucks came with inside the crossmember mount #5089, pp 236. I have not seen in the "green book" a mention of using the front mounts, (donuts), as trans mounts, but have tried that, which would be fine if the mount holes were in line vertically. I have seen the donut style used on 1/2 tons. On pp 147 there is a different mount yet, 5101 and 5089, but is used on a different crossmember. Crossmember # in these 2 trucks is 1T 5025. The illustration pp 153 sorta shows 5025 as curved in center. This one is flat/straight at the center section like the drawing pp 236 lft top corner, numbered as 5012.
When the rear of engine/trans assembly is raised to level engine and carb, about 2 1/2 inches the mounting holes are about 3/4 inch out of alignment, in some other words ya can't drop a 3/8 cap screw through the holes. So in both trucks the engine/trans was downhill at the rear by a bunch.
Thank you again for your time Alan

denofiniquity
11-14-2018 @ 12:09 PM
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Thanks Alan, very interesting. We're getting somewhere, not sure where as of yet, since all we have proved is there are different mounts. Might we get some measurements to go along with the pics?
Both of these trucks obviously had the engines oriented 2 1/2 " down at the rear, measured between top of crossmember and bottom of the trans mount. Obviousley there are visible differences. One of these trucks has been traced back to Wisconson. the other to E. Wa. Neither altered in any way other then adding a sh*ll to the bed of one, and lots of crude repairs to dents and loose fenders.
Also both have conventional e brakes, ie cable to rear, splitting and then to the brake drums.
There would have to be a different dimension from bottom hole of the bearing retainer portion down to the bottom of the mount. If your engine sits level and it sits on the crossmember, with mount inside crossmember, that distance would need to be approx 2 1/2". That is of course, our front engine mounts are the same. I'm sure they are.
Another measurement would be from the back surface of mount to center of the mount hole.
As shown in one of my pics, #po961, there is a severe misalignment when raising the back up 2 1/2 inches in order to level engine. A mounting bolt will not go through both holes. Pretty sure the crossmember is good, so there must be a difference in the dimensions.
Besides engine level concerning fuel level in carb, oil level in pan, firewall clearance, there is appearance and then there is also drive shaft angle to deal with. I will deal with that at a later date.
Thank you again Alan.
Dennis



denofiniquity
11-14-2018 @ 1:32 PM
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Alan, whilst taking a little meditation, it came to me one measurement should be from the rear "face" of trans to center of the mounting hole to the crossmember. not necessarily from back of bearing retainer/mount.
Hope I am clear here.
Dennis

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