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thunder road

04-06-2018 @ 11:53 AM

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Mike dose the club have a guide to show how many point's come off for different things? The way that the AACA works I believe is every car start's out with 500 point's and then each car get's deduction's for incorrect item's and condition. At first a car must compete in the junior class, if it scores at or above a certain number," 500" being a perfect score it receives a junior. At this point it cannot compete in the junior class anymore, but must move up to the senior class and if it manages to win a senior award ,then it can finally try and win a grand national award. The car is scored on it's own merit , This way the car is not competing against other car's. How much is the half of the heater switch which is under the dash deducted , compared to an interior with a firewall cover made of fiber glass?

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04-06-2018 @ 1:57 PM

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Domenic, Click on National Club Information and then Forms on the siedbar. You will find the Judging Standards and Judging Forms there.

Mike, I do understand your position and I would agree that a museum car should have all of the correct pieces, but a car on the Concourse should be able to perform as good as it looks and I would give more weight to performance than looks, because that is what the original buyer did.

I guess that I don't shop E-Bay often enough. I have not seen a set at a swap meet since 2003 Dearborn, and they were well used and suitable for display only. I don't see how a guy can feel good about winning when he has to push his car onto the Concourse.

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04-06-2018 @ 4:08 PM

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Tom, As always, I not only appreciate your advice and opinion, but I respect you as well.
I don't always agree but the respect does not ebb.
Perhaps you and I are not comparing apples to apples.
We, I thought, were not discussing museum cars but rather, concourse cars.

My restorations are as "perfect" as I am able to achieve with all the correct parts. These cars can be driven along side any other car, any day of the week. There is no trade off for correct "appearance" and proper operation. I insist of myself to have BOTH.
Within the judging standards created by our club, in order to avoid a deduction, one must have both the proper parts and they must operate properly.
While I understand your concern over club growth, it remains my belief that there is room for everyone as the rules currently allow.
If your car (as an example) is super, super nice, but has the wrong plugs, you can choose to enter it on the concourse and have it point judged and get hit with an eight point deduction. OR, you can place it in the touring class.
I don't understand how that may discourage young folks from participating in our club.
If this club continues to hand out points "for free" (think electric fuel pumps), I for one, and no doubt others, will abandon the club.
At that time, the club will be little more than a typical Wednesday night at the local drive in. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I just can't see fairness to "changing the rules" so everyone can feel good about "winning".
I've said it before, if a person can't win fair and square, he can't win.

Mike "Kube" Kubarth

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04-06-2018 @ 4:54 PM

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Healthy discussion's are what bring's out the best. Now I know that having the wrong spark plug's is worth an 8 point deduction. I am going to follow Tom's advice and look up the club's judging standard's . Forgive me for not knowing them. I have never been to an Early Ford's v-8 club national show. I have been to 30 consecutive AACA shows at Hershey and have seen plenty of car's winning a Junior or a senior award. But I have never been to a Grand National AACA show, and here is where the car must be perfect to win. I believe that keeping the standard's as correct as possible as to the way the car left the factory is the only way to go. This is what makes it so special. This is why Corvette shows like a Blooming gold are so strict in their standard's and continue to be popular.

Domenic

kubes40

04-07-2018 @ 5:36 AM

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Tom offered great advice in regard to familiarizing yourself with the rules.
I prefer the V8 Club Concourse to the AACA.
Why?
The AACA does not take in to account correctness. If the car is restored beautifully, it scores very well.
On the other hand, the V8 Club takes in to account (per judging standards) both correctness and the quality of the restoration.

Mike "Kube" Kubarth

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04-07-2018 @ 7:38 AM

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Mike being a judge must be an on going learning curve. The early straight axel Corvettes used Asphalt paint, to paint the frames. This Asphalt paint can easily be wiped off with gas, thinner etc.. Can you imagine taking a car down to a clean frame and then painting it with Asphalt paint instead of epoxy primer and then PPG urethane? Well you will receive point deductions unless it has the Asphalt paint on the frame. If the Corvette's outer body finish is not Lacquer paint expect more deductions. If it's too straight or dose not have some orange peel in the finish expect more deductions. Over restoration's is also a very touchy subject. Hershey recently started two new judging classes; Original car's and a driven class so more people can show their car's.

Domenic

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