| kkeyser | -- 04-06-2020 @ 7:55 PM |
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Hi guys. I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but after searching I can't find any past discussions. I'm trying to break loose my rear drums on my '36 with juice brakes. I bought the Vintage Precision ABV-156 reproduction 7 years ago and never used it until now and now I find it doesn't fit my drum. I saw someone posted years ago about removing stuck drums but it was unclear what his method was. As best I can recall, the member said to lower the car such that the problem wheel and drum is on the ground and to then jack up the opposite side wheel and the problem drum would come loose? I think I'm missing something here? Can anyone provide more details?? Thanks.
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| therunwaybehind | -- 04-07-2020 @ 5:16 AM |
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I would back off the adjuster cams by turning the hex-nuts which accomplish that on the backing plate. Then I would try setting the parking brake to force the shoes to move, --only one shoe. Then step on the hydraulic brake to move both shoes. Pulling the drum involves, as you have expressed, a special tool, or maybe not so special, a claw with a slide hammer. The shoes are going to want to cock in the drum and wedge but maybe pulling then pushing a few times will let the rust and brake dust to release and off it comes! This message was edited by therunwaybehind on 4-7-20 @ 5:18 AM
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| juergen | -- 04-07-2020 @ 6:28 AM |
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The method you remember requires you removing the axle nut and replacing it with a "knocker" which is like a long double nut that you strike with a sledge. Leave several threads showing on the axle. The theory is that with the wheel and drum on the pavement, it will stay firm(er) in place on the ground when you strike the knocker which will move the axle away from the drum/wheel. I've had better results with a puller that clamps on to the ridge of the drum.
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| CharlieStephens | -- 04-07-2020 @ 11:05 AM |
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Can you give more details about why the puller doesn't fit your drum? I looked it up on the net and it looks like a quality unit that should fit. How about some pictures? Charlie Stephens
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| kkeyser | -- 04-07-2020 @ 11:15 AM |
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Hi Charlie. I can't give you a picture of the VP ABV-156 at the moment as I have a huge three-pronged puller clamped to the outside of the drum at the moment. I've had it on for two days, keeping the axle wet with penetrating oil, with increasing pressure using a 2-foot lever extension to my socket wrench already to the point of being afraid I'm going to break something. This sucker is locked on! The best way to describe my fit issue is the two "clam sh*ll" cylinders that are supposed to clamp around the center hub of the drum do not fit properly as I cannot slide the sleeve over the two once they're in place. I got them on as far as I could and then, believe it or not, wrapped them with Gorilla Tape as the sleeve would not fit. The Gorilla Tape, surprisingly, was extremely strong but not strong enough to hold the two halves together long enough for me to really crank down on it. I'm going to try calling VP and ask them about my fit issue with their tool.
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| ford38v8 | -- 04-07-2020 @ 12:21 PM |
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Ken, From your last description of the problem, I believe I can offer some help: Take the two halves and put them together around the hub, being careful to align the thrust plate within the two sh*lls correctly. The two halves must close to each other snugly in order for the outer lock cover to slide onto the two halves. If the thrust plate is not engaged correctly within the two halves, they will not go together. Alan
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| 39 Ken | -- 04-08-2020 @ 5:24 AM |
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The first thing you want to do is remove that three prong puller and never use it on your Ford again. With a severely stuck drum, all that puller will do is distort your drum making it more difficult to remove. Once it does come off with that puller, it is likely that your drum is distorted to the point of making it unusable and you'll be looking for another one. If your drums were installed properly, the torque used to tighten the rear drum should be around 200 ft. lbs. which makes removal with the proper puller an absolute requirement. This message was edited by 39 Ken on 4-8-20 @ 5:26 AM
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| 37RAGTOPMAN | -- 04-08-2020 @ 6:04 AM |
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hi 36 brake drum removal anything you use, should be used with common sense, use a GOOD Rust Buster FIRST, soaking for few days, they did have a hub puller that fit directly to the brake drum , KRW made them for FORD, they are a good way to go, but this may require also hitting on the end of the axle treads, so be care full if you use the 3 prong puller, do not over force anything, I have used these with no problems., this maybe your last resort, either the drum or axle, which is easier to replace ??? The axle knocker on the treads works also but you are hammering on the axle with the gear on the end of it where it hits the spiders !!! you could try removing the axle nut a few treads and drive it back and forth in your drive way till you hear a click or pop the drum might loosen up, my 2 cents 1937Ragtopman This message was edited by 37RAGTOPMAN on 4-8-20 @ 6:15 AM
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| juergen | -- 04-08-2020 @ 6:43 AM |
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Even with the puller on, it is sometimes necessary to whack (impact) the head of the puller to break the bond.
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| cliftford | -- 04-08-2020 @ 7:37 AM |
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When all else fails, sometimes careful use of heat along with a puller will make it pop loose.
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| trjford8 | -- 04-08-2020 @ 7:49 AM |
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The Vintage Tool Works puller " keeper ring" will only go on one way. I just used one the other day and it will only slide on one way. I think if you look closely you'll see that it is tapered inside. Make sure you put the nut on the end that protects the threads on the end of the axle.
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| kkeyser | -- 04-08-2020 @ 10:18 AM |
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Thanks for all the helpful suggestions guys. After no success with the three-pronged drum puller I resorted back to making my VP ABV-156 hub puller work. I called them yesterday and they were very helpful. They said there have been a few instances where their hub puller just didn't quite fit correctly. So I took their suggestions and just filed down the offending lip on both hubs that was preventing the hub puller from closing all the way like it should. Once the puller fit correctly it was surprising how easily it popped the drum off the axle. Definitely the "cat's meow" when it comes to early Ford brake drum removal. Attached pictures show my drum before grinding, how the puller was not fitting properly and then how the drum looked after some minor grinding on the lip. Thanks again for all the suggestions! Highly recommend the tool!
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| Dustbowl | -- 04-08-2020 @ 2:01 PM |
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With the puller, it may be necessary in worst cases to leave the wheel you are trying to pull on the ground and jack up the other rear wheel just off the ground. Then give it a real good whack or more. I had to use a heavy sledge hammer my last time.
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| 37RAGTOPMAN | -- 04-10-2020 @ 11:39 AM |
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K R W here is a photo of what the FORD DEALER USED, just in case you spot one in the flea market 37Ragtopman
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