| efv8 | -- 10-03-2009 @ 6:09 PM |
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This is a Topic which will be monitored by Mike Kubarth,lead Author for the NEW 1940 Ford Book under development. We thank you for your interest and input. Feel free to make comments about what you'd like to see in the new book. Start new discussions when appropriate. EFV8 Tech. Book Committee FROM MIKE: I will do my absolute best to answer any and all questions / suggestions posted here in a timely manner. Note: It would help if the poster would start a 'NEW DISCUSSION' when appropriate. Otherwise, I can envision the possible oversight of a new post being 'lost' within differing subject matter when simply added/injected to an existing post dialog. The NEW DISCUSSION option is available directly above the dialog box. Thanks guys! Mike Kubarth, Lead Author This message was edited by efv8 on 10-16-09 @ 6:06 PM
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| kenburke | -- 10-06-2009 @ 3:11 PM |
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On 40 sedans, Standard & Deluxe, number of interior hand straps as well as location.
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| kenburke | -- 10-07-2009 @ 10:04 AM |
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On the firewall, there are at least three hex bolts. Two for the mounting of the wiper motot and another for the battery clamp. What is the correct color for theses, plus any other similar fasteners at the firewall area. Thanks
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| kubes40 | -- 10-07-2009 @ 5:32 PM |
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Hi Ken, The bolts that hold the wiper motor bracket to the (inner) cowl have always thought to have been painted body color. At this point that is the accepted 'standard' for judging. Here's where the confusion may come in ... I have seen factory photographs that although black & white (photos) the bolt heads appear to be 'bright' (cadmium). From a manufacturing stand point it would make little or no sense whatsoever for Ford to have painted these after the bracket was installed. Remember the bracket was always black. This will definitely be one thing that I research thoroughly in hopes of providing future restorer's with a definitive & documented answer. The bolt that holds the battery clamp in place is raven black.
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| trjford8 | -- 10-07-2009 @ 7:19 PM |
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Mike,you may or not be aware but there are 40's that do not have the wiper bracket bolted to the firewall. I have seen two 40's where the wiper bracket is spot welded to the inside of the firewall(same as 39 convert and woody). I suspect that these are early cars. Just thought I would pass this on for info for the book.
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| kubes40 | -- 10-07-2009 @ 7:29 PM |
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Yes, I was aware of that. I had at one time a '40 convertible with just the bracket configuration you mention. As I recall it was spot welded to the cowl. I wonder how many others may have found this? Like you, I am willing to bet this was VERY early.
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| trjford8 | -- 10-08-2009 @ 8:20 PM |
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Mike, check with Mike Johnston (we share the same last name) in Oxford, Michigan. He has a 40 with the same type of bracket spot welded to the firewall. I suspect the frame number on these cars would help determine how early in the '40 model that this occcurred.
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| vintageman | -- 10-09-2009 @ 11:00 AM |
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Mike, Check the road lamp switch knob color. Should be the same as for 1939, beige, sand, butterscotch, what ever you want to call it, rather than maroon. Clarify the correct road lamps, Appleton and Unity as to their inscriptions. Same for the fog lights. Clarify as to whether the rear gravel shield is a legitimate option. My '40 dealer album does not show it in the accessory section.
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| kubes40 | -- 10-10-2009 @ 6:34 AM |
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Good morning Vintageman, You've posed a couple of good discussions / suggestions. One I can reply to definitively at this time. That being the 'correctness' of a rear bumper gravel shield. The reason you do not find that shield within early Ford literature is it was not offered until approximately March, 1940. There are two separate letters that I possess that advise dealers of this 'new' option and it's subsequent availability. The road lamps offered in 1940 were of the Unity design only. While no doubt later in 1940 one could acquire Appleton design lamps from the dealer, factory installed lamps in 1940 were Unity (only). Ah, switch (knob) color... I can't at this time offer a 100% definitive answer so I will attempt to locate proof as to the correctness / authenticity of same. I can tell you that it would 'seem' there was only one knob color, that being tan. However, the proverbial 'fly in the ointment' may suggest otherwise. I have had a number of sets of these lamps through the years and a few maroon knobs were integral of the kits. As maroon dash knobs were not used past 1940 (at least for the next few years) I have thought that they (maroon) may have actually been supplied but not listed in the parts books as a separate (replacement) offering. I have identical switches (sans knob color) that correspond to later years. Cream yellow, black & clear)so we can infer that Ford did at the very least attempt to match knob (switch) to the dash knobs. I WILL do my best to locate any definitive proof on this subject!
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| kubes40 | -- 10-10-2009 @ 6:50 AM |
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Vintageman, You seem to be interested in accessories so I'd thought I'd share a less known point of (possible) interest with you in that regard. 'SWAN NECK' outer mirrors: We often (incorrectly) see pairs of these mirrors on 1940 Fords. The problem with this is the fact that the RIGHT SIDE mirror was not offered until approximately late April, 1940. Thus, cars built prior to that date should only show with one, that being the left side. Mike
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| vintageman | -- 10-11-2009 @ 9:45 AM |
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Hi Mike I am the guy that sent you the wood pattern for the bottom seat on the '40 convertible. I posed the question regarding the road lamp switch knob color to Gary Mallast, '38-'39 Ford technical adviser. He went to the Research Center of The Henry Ford Museum to research this question. He checked the Chassis Parts List, Drawings, and Engineering Releases, Feb. 20, May1, and Oct.1, 1940. He advised that only one drawing was for a 91A-15224 switch. The knob was made from M-5660-C Cellouse Acetate Plastic. He stated that he could not find any sign of an O1A-15224 switch. He further stated that it would have been logical to have put it on the same drawing, since the only change would have been the knob color. He said that it appears that the Butterscotch knob would be correct for 1940, contrary to page 2-11 of The 1940 Ford Book. This file was forwaeded to Windle, Brownlee.
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| kubes40 | -- 10-11-2009 @ 1:54 PM |
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Hey, thank you again for teaching me about the seat! I have the pattern made and have learned something in the process. Now, in regard to the knob color... Gary Mallast is one heck of a good researcher. I have little doubt that what he found is what exists in the archives. The problem (confusion) remains in the fact that I have had a few sets of road lamps (1940) that have had a maroon knob (switch) as part of the kit. How can we explain that? I am of the opinion that because the absolute proof was not found (at this time) does not mean something didn't happen. Believe me, I am a purist and want the best, most complete and authoritative (read: CORRECT) information to be disseminated. I am certain you can understand what I (we) are up against!
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| deuce_roadster | -- 10-15-2009 @ 8:50 PM |
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Hi Mike, I have a 40 electric clock that looks almost NOS. If you would like pictures of it for the new book I can supply you with as many and whatever angles you wish. I am currently finishing up my 40 Del wagon, also in progress is a 40 Convert and 40 V-8 coupe and 40 COE truck. For the new book, it would be helpful to show correct routing of the gas line where it comes up by the firewall and good detailed pictures of the whole engine area. Looking forward to an updated 40 book, thanks. Mike Dermond, Puget Sound Regional Group
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| kubes40 | -- 10-16-2009 @ 7:13 AM |
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Good morning Mike, Thanks for the offer on the clock. I too have one and had thought of including a picture of it. I will be limited in the number of pictures I will be allowed to have published but will certainly attempt to include those you desire. The fuel line routing is an oft asked question and in my opinion should be addressed in detail. Thanks again for your suggestions. Mike
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| unclemark | -- 01-02-2010 @ 7:56 AM |
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Mike, will trucks be covered in this book? thanks.
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| kubes40 | -- 01-02-2010 @ 1:43 PM |
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Only as far as areas that are identical to passenger cars (chassis, engine)...
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| Ebonyvert | -- 05-10-2010 @ 5:21 PM |
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Mike, Will there be any info in the new book on pickup trucks? Not much is written on trucks. Just a thought. Milt K
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| Ebonyvert | -- 05-10-2010 @ 5:25 PM |
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Mike, Will there be any info in the new book on pickup trucks? Not much is written on trucks. Just a thought. Milt K
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| Ebonyvert | -- 05-10-2010 @ 5:26 PM |
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Mike, Will there be any info in the new book on pickup trucks? Not much is written on trucks. Just a thought. Milt K
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| kubes40 | -- 05-15-2010 @ 6:51 AM |
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Trucks will only be covered in areas that are identical to the passenger cars. Examples: engines, chassis. I do not possess the knowledge to even attempt to describe them (trucks) in any fairness to our members. Sorry...
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| dbredman | -- 12-11-2010 @ 7:11 PM |
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Mike, I'm curious about how far along the new 40 book is. Is there a target issue date yet? I'm just beginning to do a coupe and would love to have the new book as reference. Thanks, Bruce
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| kubes40 | -- 12-12-2010 @ 6:58 AM |
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The book project is moving along smoothly. It is worked on nearly each and every day. Target date? ASAP. LOTS of works yet to do... we want to offer the best, most thorough and well researched book to date. In my opinion, better we take the time necessary to accomplish that. I am always available to answer specific questions in detail. Best regards, Mike Kubarth
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| dbredman | -- 12-13-2010 @ 10:47 AM |
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I couldn't agree more, and a picture is still worth a thousand words, and a color picture worth even more, so the more pictures the better. I'm sure you have limits on the amount of content and pictures you can include in the new book as far as it affects final price, but I for one would be willing to pay whatever it takes for the best book I can get. Good luck with it. Bruce
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| Mercury8 | -- 11-24-2012 @ 1:43 PM |
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Hi Mike: Are there any plans to include 1940 Mercury cars in the book? Hope so, so many similarities, but some differences too. Any 40 Merc inclusions would, of course, be much appreciated. Thanks for your consideration, Alan Cutsinger RG 148
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| kubes40 | -- 11-24-2012 @ 3:06 PM |
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Hi Alan, Very little referance to the Mercury's I am sorry to say. I know too little about them and the time & effort required to research them separately would be daunting at the very least. sorry...
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| PloughNman | -- 11-05-2013 @ 4:03 AM |
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Howdy All- I'm new here but have been a Ford Tractor man all my life. I recently read an older post from 2011 that had to do with the '38-'39 Voltage Regulator. I believe these were also used on the first early 9N tractors in '39 as well. Where can I get a Master Parts Catalog for '38 cars & trucks, specifically the info on the generator and all parts involved with the charging system? I am writing an article on the early 9N and need this info to add to the article. I have read the VR were used on the late 1938 Ford Dlx cars... 1939 Ford , Merc and Lincoln .... and early 1940 Ford, Merc and Lincoln however on the late 1940's the 3 terminal strips were of varying widths, where the 1939's were all the same width. Thanks. PloughNman
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| kubes40 | -- 11-05-2013 @ 5:53 AM |
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PloughNman, I don't believe you'll get all of the information you are seeking from any parts book(s). Those will supply you with part numbers and application for SERVICE. As you no doubt are aware, service parts were very often different than the assembly line installed part(s). The parts book(s) may offer you some helpful illustrations but there too one must remember they are simply illustrations. Most of the Ford parts books do contain nice illustrations of the various generators and pulleys. I'd suggest acquiring a parts book dated closest to 1940 as possible. The later you get, the more service parts are listed, throwing off your research. These parts books are available on eBay or if a reprint suits your needs, most of the "usual vendors" have them for sale. As you suspected, that small - square regulator was used through the entire '39 production and in to 1940 for a very short period as well. The later rectangular design was utilized for service replacement beginning in (as I recall) January, 1940. One most often sees that type retrofitted on earlier cars as the square units are very scarce, having been obsoleted in 1940. Mike "Kube" Kubarth
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| TomO | -- 11-05-2013 @ 8:12 AM |
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I don't know what type of information that you are looking for, but the Benson Ford Research Center has a lot of the engineering drawings as well as letters to the branches. You can visit the center in person and do the research or they will do some for you for a fee. Here is a link to their web page. http://thehenryford.org/research/index.aspx Tom
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| woodiewagon46 | -- 02-16-2014 @ 9:22 AM |
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Mike, not to change the subject, but the 1940 Standard Coupe featured in the Jan/Feb issue of the AACA, Antique Automobile Magazine is the most beautiful '40 I have ever seen. The article states that you had something to do with the restoration. Most people like the Deluxe model but this standard is fabulous! Great job.
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| JM | -- 03-21-2014 @ 7:03 AM |
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Mike, what is your estimated target date for taking this to the printer? John
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| JM | -- 03-21-2014 @ 7:03 AM |
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Mike, what is your estimated target date for taking this to the printer? John
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| 40topless | -- 06-02-2015 @ 3:24 PM |
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About your book. Will there be much on sedan deliveries? When will it be out. Mark
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| kubes40 | -- 06-03-2015 @ 5:25 AM |
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Mark, The only things that will apply to a sedan delivery are those that are the same as the passenger vehicles. Things unique to the sedan delivery will not be addressed.
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| HotrodFrankie | -- 08-17-2015 @ 7:11 AM |
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Hi Mike I'm a nebie to this site. I will be building a 40 Ford convertible but it is in pieces. I build cars and am a retired tech writer so documentation is high priority for me. The top is not attached and I would like it to be before winter comes. will there be any info on the convertible top frame and installation. If not any idea where I can get this info. GM has assembly manuals but I don't see anything like that for Fords. Waiting with baited breath for your book. Best regards Hotrod Frankie
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| WATHAM | -- 11-16-2016 @ 8:41 PM |
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hi Mike--looking for info on 40 CONV window glass installation mainly pass. side! THANKS, Bruce Bel Air, Md. (410) 456 3784C
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| patterg2003 | -- 11-08-2020 @ 9:02 AM |
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I bought the first version of the Early Ford V-8 clubs book on restoring a 1940 Ford. It did not have the depth of information that I needed. I have a 1940 Ford Convertible that came from an old gentleman that needs many parts and reassembly. I have been collecting parts and trying to stay out in front of them going out of production. It would be great if the new 1940 Ford restoration manual was published. I patiently check in from time to time to see if there is any progress on the book and glean any information for a 40 Ford that I can. My plan is to start on the car in the spring. You did an amazing job of restoring the 1940 Ford convertible & among many things tease what you did with the trunk lid. The editing process has been going on for a while. I say this with the greatest of respect. As one perfectionist to another please do not chase perfection. I once read that a perfectionist will never finish a big project. In the perfectionist subconscious mind if a work still needs one tiny detail then it is not done. The work is incomplete so it cannot be judged. Perfectionists have a lot of near finished projects. Reading on perfectionism is where I saw myself & learned that I have to push through, finish it, accept that it is done and be comfortable that it is better work than most can accomplish. There is no comprehensive book on restoring a 1940 Ford. Time is marching on where many of us may in the next short years be too old to work on these old cars, to finish a book or time runs out without notice. Time has claimed many great people on short notice to the hobby including the human library Bruce Lancaster. I have read every bit of your threads & advice in recent years on this forum and the Ford Barn for the 1940 Fords. Clearly a master and a deep well of information that needs to be preserved. I would encourage you to wrap up the manual and if it has a few warts that lends character which is fine. There is never too much information. There could be a link to an on-line album of photos that physically cannot not fit in the book made available to buyers of the book. The album would be a big compliment and if a picture is worth a thousand words the album would be priceless & save a lot of writing. The new manual will be at altitudes above anything currently available on the 1940 Ford and will be a treasured legacy out in the world. In the meantime I will quietly & patiently follow your work & look forward to the release of the new restoration manual.
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| kubes40 | -- 11-08-2020 @ 10:27 AM |
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patterg2003, I've had a few folks tell me in so many words "don't allow perfection to get in the way of good enough". I have done my best to do just that. Still, there is no switch that shuts off OCD. Lord knows, at times I wish there was. This book will be completed as do all of my projects. I have never been accused of leaving things incomplete. All I can tell you as of today is that the book is fully written. The editing and preparing the works for the printer is not an easy feat. It is however, being worked on near daily. If I were to hazard a guess as to when it will be available... during 2021. Mike "Kube" Kubarth
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| patterg2003 | -- 11-08-2020 @ 2:19 PM |
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Mike, Thank you. I can empathize with the effort to put together a such big project. There likely is so much information learned with decades of working on 40 Fords to organize then more details likely come to mind as the book progresses that try to work their way in to the book. Your attention to detail makes for great cars and will make for a great book. It is a mix of OCD & enjoying the warm glow of doing quality work. all the best, Glenn
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| 40Cabriolet | -- 09-04-2022 @ 10:15 AM |
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Interesting, I have two outside rear view mirrors and the passenger side is useless. Are these the wrong ones for this car? TIA
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