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Posted By Discussion Topic: 36 Ford, need help -- page: 1 2     Cadillac Ranch Norway 08-12-2011 @ 7:05 AM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 3 Joined: Aug 2011 I have no experience on Ford, sorry for that and tried to search the web in any possible way to find some answer on extended 1936 Ford V8 with no luck at all. Hoping with help through this channel we might learn something, because it is an unrestored interesting complete car with lots of local history from the mountains. The 4 door Model 68 has been resting and well hidden in a barn since early 50s. The strange about this car that it is has 2 extra folded seats and a glass divider. The rear doors are longer than original and looks extremly well done, so is also the wheelbase. The car seems to have original black paint, but handpainted many years ago in skyblue color. We can`t find any traces in body, floorpans and roof or frame that it has ever been cut and welded longer. We know that some sedans was rebuild in Norway and Denmark but often cut and extended between the doors or behind the rear ones. This car show no traces of it. Can the Ford identyplate in engine room give more information to you?, its original and no extra numbers is stamped in afterwords. To us does it looks like this car was originally built from factory because its so well built and with a strange interior color. Can it be that Ford had a commercial chassis with longer wheelbase with stronger drivetrain that they might have used on special orders? The engine has 2 waterpumps, not shure if they all had. I would be very thankful if somebody took the time if they no anything about this 7-8 seats cars from Ford, because I can`t find any technical data sheet on Ford telling that they had a version with longer wheelbase than 112" Kind regards Ole supereal 08-12-2011 @ 10:15 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 6819 Joined: Oct 2009 Without seeing a photo, I believe you have what is called a "service car". These were Fords modified by such companies as Siebert or Miller. Brewster also was active in the field, producing "town cars" with stretched chassis and extravagant appointments. I believe Siebert is still in business, making "stretch" limos, hearses, ambulances and funeral cars. To my knowledge, Ford didn't keep records of these vehicles, or on most of the others they produced. You might find a plate somewhere on the car giving the name of the place that produced it and, possibly, the serial number of production. As for water pumps, all Ford V8's had two from 1932 thru 1953. This message was edited by supereal on 8-12-11 @ 10:18 AM TomO 08-12-2011 @ 1:50 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 7244 Joined: Oct 2009 I would like to see a photo of the car also. A good site to ask your question is the professional car site. The people on that site have done research on the manufacturers of limousines, ambulances, hearses and flower cars. They may have some information on what company may have built your 36 Ford or be able to direct you to a forum where you could get more information. http://www.professionalcar.org/forums/ Tom Cadillac Ranch Norway 08-15-2011 @ 5:37 AM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 3 Joined: Aug 2011 Many thanks both of you. I tried to become a member at http://www.professionalcar.org/forums/ but didn`t get access to enter the question. Perhaps because I`m outside US. I will take a picture of the car and enter it here for you to see. We are surprised if this car is made of a base from Ford that original had a 112" wheelbase, since it so nicely done. No traces at all on frame that it has ever been changed/stretched. I owned a 1989 stretched Lincoln Limousine for many years here in Norway, and it was very easy to see where the coachworkers have been doing jobs on the body. I will look for a coachworkers plate and take it from there. Many thanks for all help. Ole TomO 08-15-2011 @ 7:59 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 7244 Joined: Oct 2009 I am not a member of that forum, but here is the contact for the webmaster. webmaster@professionalcar.org Tom wmsteed 08-15-2011 @ 9:35 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 607 Joined: Oct 2009 The difference between the quality of the craftsmanship in 1936 and 1989 would be like night and day. The "coach-built" welding and fitting of body panels would be done in such a manner that the welds would have been done by hand, butt welded, using gas welders in lieu of over lapped welds using electric welders. The chassis/frame might be a different story.. The original builder could have used a custom built frame. In 1936 the cost for a custom built frame would not of been that expensive... Probably way under a $100. Bill 36 5 win delx cpe TomO 08-16-2011 @ 6:54 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 7244 Joined: Oct 2009 Bill, cost is relative, in 1936 $100 would be more than a months pay for the average worker. I have pay stubs from my mothers job as a secretary in 1939. She made $15 a week working for the WPA. Tom wmsteed 08-16-2011 @ 10:46 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 607 Joined: Oct 2009 I am very much aware that "costs are relative", however, nothing really ever changes, just more zeros get added to the final number. The fact of the matter is that the average working man is a lot better off now, than he was in 1936... I have an ad that compared a '36 Ford DeLux sedan with a '76 Ford Granada... The average Ford worker worked for a whole year to earn the cost of a '36 Ford, where-as the same man would have worked a whole year to earn the cost of the '76 Granada. The big difference was that the '36 Ford was basic transportation where-as the Granada had V8, AT, power disk brakes, PS and air conditioning. Another big difference was that the '36 Ford could not pass the safety/smog requirements of 1976. The vehicles used to make this comparison was a '36 Ford sedan from the Ford collection and a new 76 Granada fresh off of show room floor. Bill 36 5 win delx cpe supereal 08-16-2011 @ 10:47 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 6819 Joined: Oct 2009 I have always been amazed at the craftsmanship used to produce the "professional cars", even in the early years. I suspect that many of the panels were made using an "English wheel" or similiar device, rather than cutting up the stock panels. Some of these vehicles, particularly the hearses, are truly a work of art. As TomO points out, labor costs were quite different then, but so was the effort and skill displayed. The fit and finish evident on today's cars shows that we have lost most, if not all, of that art. ford38v8 08-16-2011 @ 12:39 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 2739 Joined: Oct 2009 Bill, I'll take issue with your statement that the average working man is better off today. While that is true in regard to working conditions and technological advances in daily lifestyle, today he is inadequately compensated for his work. It used to be said that "Two can live cheaper than one". Today, it takes two wages to maintain a household. There is another old saying that is truer today than ever before; "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer." Alan

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