| LARC | -- 07-07-2015 @ 3:51 PM |
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Hi people, I hope all of you are ok! I would like to find any picture and if it possible a drawing for a 1947 Mercury Manual Starting Crank Wrench. Plase, find attache a pair of pictures of the socket on the forward end of the engine crankshaft. Thank you so much for your cooperation! LARC
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| LARC | -- 07-07-2015 @ 3:53 PM |
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Hear is the second picture of the socket on the forward end of the engine crankshaft. Thanks, LARC
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| TomO | -- 07-08-2015 @ 9:54 AM |
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I don't believe that the crank was one of the tools supplied in 1947. I have never seen a crank for the post war cars. Here is a link to Lin Stacey's website that has photos of the tools. The 42 kit has the crank pieces in it. http://flatheadtools.net/typical-tool-kits.html Tom
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| LARC | -- 07-08-2015 @ 1:31 PM |
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Hi Tom! Thanks for your prompt response. I think this crank exist because the picture of the ratchet nut that fits into the nose of the crankshaft was taken from my 1947 Mercury. Actually, from the Lin Stacey´s website, you mentioned the the 42 kit has the crank pieces in it and I also saw this tool in the Late 1940 Ford & Mercury passenger kit. Well, thanks for the Lin Stacey reference. I just wrote to him for further information. Regards, LARC
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| len47merc | -- 07-08-2015 @ 6:00 PM |
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LARC - not clear what you are after here. If you just wish to have a starting crank wrench, then yes, you can get one that fits your '47 - examples do exist that will work. If you want to be correct for the Concourse, then suggest you do more research and understand what is technically correct. I believe Tom is correct. I too have a '47 Merc and have a complete set of original tools that came with the car from the original owner. No starting crank wrench was included fyi though the crankshaft pulley bolt is fundamentally identical to yours, the stainless 'flap' below and in the center of the grill and the opening below the radiator are both there for one to use a wrench if they have one. My tool set is fundamentally consistent with that shown in Tom's reference. I believe Tom is correct in his representation and his website reference that a starting wrench was not included with the '47's and other post-war cars. You may wish to do more research on pre- and post-April '47 Merc's - you may find something I have not, though consider mine is a Jan '47 Merc and did not come with the starting crank. Note as well that many of the tools are referenced as options. Having an original jack, base and tool/handle would appear to be the most critical to a '47 Merc owner. Perhaps somewhat supporting your thinking though, the tool set for my '47 includes the hubcap removal tool shown in the '40, '41 & '42 photos/sets. Whether it was an add-on by the prior owner or not is unknown, but my research thus far supports it not being technically correct for the year. Again suggest you clarify personally what your intent and desire is and contrast that against what is technically correct if you wish to show the car on the Concourse and/or submit to other Class judging. Know also that what is technically correct is what a judge or team of judges deems to be so unless you have concrete, rock-solid documentation supporting otherwise. Steve This message was edited by len47merc on 7-8-15 @ 6:52 PM
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| TomO | -- 07-09-2015 @ 6:26 AM |
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I hope that you do not plan on using the starting crank. They are difficult to use on the post 1935 cars and can damage the grill or radiator. The long extension to reach the nut will wobble and makes it hard to control. Tom
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| LARC | -- 07-09-2015 @ 8:04 AM |
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Hi Steve, thanks for your comments. I live in South America, so I do not pretend to participe in any Concourse neither to show the car to any judge. My 1947 Mercury was a property of my grandparent and now belongs to my family. It was in the garage for 15 years and I am trying to put it on the way again. I have some electrical problems with the battery and the original dynamo so I just whish to start the engine with the starting crank wrench. LARC
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| LARC | -- 07-09-2015 @ 8:21 AM |
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Hi Tom, thanks for your advice. I was told that my car had this starting crank wrench and it was started with this tool but it is lost, so I wanted to manufacture this wrench but I do not have the exact measures. But you are right, the distance to reach the nut is too long, around 35". May be manufacturing this wrench with a solid bar it would be possible to keep the control. But I do not want to take the risk of damage the grill or the radiator, so I think I will desist on this idea. Thanks for your support! LARC
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| len47merc | -- 07-09-2015 @ 8:32 AM |
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LARC - I'd have to strongly consider correcting the electrical probs before attempting to use the starter wrench for many reasons including those in TomO's last post. For grins at the Eastern National a few weeks back I borrowed a neighboring '40 car original wrench and only inserted it through the grill and under the radiator to see how it would fit and work if I were to obtain one and needed it in a pinch (made no attempt to crank the car). It is a tight fit and there is more than enough wobble in the shaft to easily hit the grill, bottom pan between the grill and the radiator and the radiator itself. For me it would only be a neat conversation piece. If I were to make one (you asked for a drawing in your original post) simply for use and not show I'd make it out of a solid (no hinges), very rigid steel rod to keep potential damage to other components minimized. If we can help you expedite the resolution of your electrical problems please let us know - several guys on here are really good at diagnosing and resolving those quickly. Best of results - Steve
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| LARC | -- 07-09-2015 @ 12:05 PM |
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Steve, thanks for your opinion. Right now I do not have the car with me because I´m painting it. Basically, the electric problem is that I am keeping the original dynamo and I guess it was designed to work with a 6 Volts battery, so the dynamo is not charging the actual 12 Volts battery. I also have an alternator to be adapted in the car in case the dynamo finally does not work properly. But I will post this issue later with another Topic Title as soon as I get the Mercury back in order to check how it is working right now, if it has any electrical regulator o electrical converter. By the way, do you know what was the amperage for the original 6 Volts battery? Regards! LARC
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| len47merc | -- 07-09-2015 @ 2:50 PM |
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LARC - had your car been previously converted to a 12V (pos or neg ground?) system, or is it still the original 6V negative ground? Steve
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| LARC | -- 07-09-2015 @ 3:14 PM |
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Steve, nowadays the car is using a 12V battery (I´m not sure if it is pos or neg ground, I guess it has been previously converted from 6V to 12V because the motor is starting with the electric starter as well as lights, cigarette lighter and horn work perfectly. When I get the car back I will check the car to answer you with more certainty. Luis
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| len47merc | -- 07-09-2015 @ 4:03 PM |
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LARC - on the amperage (assume you mean cranking amps &/or cold cranking amps) of an 'original' 6V battery as you asked I'd have to rely on others for that bit of historical data. The current 6V batteries have numbers all over the map - you can easily find that info based on manufacturer on the internet. Regarding a functioning 6V generator in good working condition you can expect it to produce 65-70 amps. Steve
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