| 40MercPU | -- 10-14-2014 @ 12:57 PM |
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New to this forum and forums in general so please forgive if I step on toes or not follow protocol. Recently purchased a pick up body, suposedly a 1939 Mercury (Canadian Ford?) pickup. Near as I can tell, the firewall label confirms. Looks like a 40 Ford PU except two smaller rear windows instead of one oval like the Ford's. Does anyone have any knowledge of the 39-40 Mercury PUs? Like interchangability of body parts?
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| TomO | -- 10-15-2014 @ 7:21 AM |
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Welcome to the Forum. The only protocol that I know of is to respect the other posters on the Forum, no matter how incorrect their opinions may be or how naive their questions are. I am not familiar with all of the Canadian models, but I don't believe that a Mercury pickup was made in 39 and 40. I believe that they started making them in 1946. Your pickup may be a custom made vehicle. If you would post a photo of the truck, someone on this forum may be able to give you an idea of the origin of your pickup. Tom
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| 40MercPU | -- 10-16-2014 @ 1:34 PM |
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Thanks for the reply Tom. Near as I can tell, the few body metal parts I have purchased (for the 40 deluxe) will fit but some do not seem to line up. I am not adverse to cutting out and replacing all of the body metal from the cowl forward although I do have two hoods, two fenders, and four doors that came with it. As I said earlier, although rusted, the numbers on the metal firewall ID plate come back to a 1939/40 Mercury. Picture will follow as soon as I have good enough weather to get some cler shots. Thanks again.
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| TomO | -- 10-17-2014 @ 6:31 AM |
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The Ford car parts do not line up with the pickup body. The cowl section was completely different. You will have to make a lot of modifications to make the Deluxe fenders and hood fit a pickup. Here is an article on the origin of the Mercury truck in Canada. http://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-american/curbside-classics-mercury-trucks-we-do-things-a-bit-differently-up-here/ I am looking forward to the photos. Tom
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| 40MercPU | -- 12-08-2014 @ 9:31 AM |
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Still looking to determine what truck body I have. Told it was a 39-40 Canadian Ford/Merc. Body number on firewall plate shows 99A731877. Posting a few pics but I have more. Any info will help.
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| 40MercPU | -- 12-08-2014 @ 10:29 AM |
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Tom O; I am not sure how to post multiple photos to this site. Attached photo shows an overall view. I will post more if I can figure out how.
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| TomO | -- 12-09-2014 @ 6:54 AM |
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Thanks for the photos. You can only post1 photo per post on this Forum, but you can post a link to Photobuket or any other photo hosting site. I do not recognize the cab that you show in your photos, but will ask some of the truck enthusiasts to view your photos. Tom
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| trjford8 | -- 12-09-2014 @ 7:16 AM |
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The hinges shown in the cowl photo are definitely 40-41 pickup. The cowl shows evidence that there may have been some stainless trim on the body. The body itself is definitely different. A better shot of the dashboard and firewall would help. From all appearances this cab is a unit unto itself. I wonder if it fits the Mercury frame or the Ford frame? I'm thinking it may use 40 Merc front sheetmetal.
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| 40MercPU | -- 12-10-2014 @ 12:44 PM |
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Dashboard shown. Looks to me like a 40 Ford dash with extra cutouts. I will try and figure out how to post all the graphics somewhere as suggested by Tom O. Next good day weather wise, I will try and get some measurements.
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| trjford8 | -- 12-10-2014 @ 2:30 PM |
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I have a 41 pickup and my friend has a 40 pickup. The dashes are almost the same in both trucks. The dash in the 42-47 pickups is also like the 40-41 dash. The dash in your cab is totally different. It also looks like it might be wider than a regular pickup. Give me the measurement from inside to inside of the doorjambs. Take the measurement half way between the upper and lower hinges. Your dash also has the provision for a factory radio and speaker in the center of the dash. Regular pickups before '48 had no provision for a radio. Your dash has features closer to the '40 Merc passenger car dash. This message was edited by trjford8 on 12-10-14 @ 2:36 PM
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| TomO | -- 12-11-2014 @ 7:08 AM |
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The dashboard looks like it could have come from the 39 Mercury. It doesn't appear lie it was cut down, which would make the cab wider than a truck of that era. I have never seen a Ford truck cab with the split rear window or where the door openings are cut into the roof. Tom
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| supereal | -- 12-12-2014 @ 4:10 PM |
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Could be an Austrailian "ute"?
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| TomO | -- 12-13-2014 @ 7:35 AM |
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The serial number puts the vehicle in the range used for 1946 Fords and Mercurys. The Ute cab was more like the short door coupe body in 1946. Tom
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| TomO | -- 12-13-2014 @ 8:37 AM |
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To me it looks like it may be a customized 46 Ford or Mercury cab. The 42-47 cab is wide enough to accommodate the 39 Mercury dash. The raised area on the back of the cab is similar to the 42-47 cab. The split windshield is similar to the 42-47 cab. The custom work would be the 39 Mercury dash, split rear window, the way that the doors are cut into the roof and the 40 ford front end sheet metal. If it is a custom, the workmanship is outstanding. If it was mine, I would try to restore it as found. It will make a great vehicle and attract a lot of attention at car shows. Tom
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| 40MercPU | -- 12-15-2014 @ 10:59 AM |
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Measurement of cab width between door posts is 51 inches when measured at mid point between hinges.
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| TomO | -- 12-16-2014 @ 8:47 AM |
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Here is a link to a 39 Mercury dash that is for sale on E-Bay. You can see that it is exactly like the dash in the truck. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1939-Mercury-Dash/271702803781?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27538%26meid%3D9cf831edc09b4b8ea2620593a665673a%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D11353%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D281471042769 Tom
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| 40MercPU | -- 12-16-2014 @ 9:33 AM |
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TomO It certainly looks like the 39 Mercury Dash. The split window does not appear to have had any work done, i.e welds or lead work and definitely no bondo. All contours are smooth and blended. I can see no evidence of work. Does anyone have measurements of critical dimensions for the 42-47 and 39-41 Ford Pickups? Like w x h of cab,door, front window, and cowl?
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| trjford8 | -- 12-16-2014 @ 10:29 AM |
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The measurement on my 41 pickup halfway between the hinges and inside jamb to jamb is 42 1/2 inches. My doors at the widest point are 33 1/4 inches and at the tallest point they are 51 inches. The 42-47 cab is basically the same dimensions as the 40-41 cab.
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| 40MercPU | -- 12-17-2014 @ 3:52 PM |
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Wow trjford8...I thought we were on the right track 40ish Merc but now the 9" or so difference in width is baffling. I wonder what the dash width is for a 39 Merc sedan/coupe. The dash that I have looks just like the dash in the picture of the 39 dash in your link. Could I have an old Hudson or Willys with the 39 dash? I've got to say I have not seen anything yet with a split rear window in any of the web sites.
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| trjford8 | -- 12-17-2014 @ 4:48 PM |
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The '39-40 Merc frame is wider than the '39-40 Ford frame. If the frame you have is a Merc frame that would explain why the cab is wider. I don't know the differences in width between the two, but the Merc is wider. Is the dash welded in or bolted into the cab? In the Ford pickups the dash is welded into the cab to help with structural integrity.
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| TomO | -- 12-18-2014 @ 9:58 AM |
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I measured the dash in my 40 Merc and it is 48". The 39 body is the same so the dash should be the same width. Looking again at your photo, I believe that the rear window came from a 39-40 Mercury Coupe. I could not get exact measurements of the opening, because the car is finished. The width of one window is about 17" and the height is about 12". This doesn't explain the width of the cab and the way that the doors are cut into the roof. Here is a snapshot of the rear of my Coupe. Tom This message was edited by TomO on 12-18-14 @ 10:06 AM
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| unclemark | -- 12-18-2014 @ 5:28 PM |
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Not a 40-41 cab, floor is incorrect, hinges in door posts are not 40-41. There is one photo that shows a faded out F-1 possibly but that may be an illusion due to paint and such. 41 panel & 41 1.5 platform
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| trjford8 | -- 12-19-2014 @ 5:45 PM |
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I took a second look at the door hinges on the body and they appear to be '41 passenger car hinges. This gets more interesting all the time. I was thinking at first that someone took a 4 door Merc sedan and removed the center section of the body to make a pickup. The baffling part is the center rib that is stamped into the cab. If this body was a hand fabricated custom someone did one heck of a job. This message was edited by trjford8 on 12-19-14 @ 5:50 PM
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| TomO | -- 12-20-2014 @ 8:21 AM |
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I agree that if it is a custom, someone did a great job. I have searched the web and have not come up with any similar vehicle. I think that the rear window could have been added to the body along the character lines as shown in the attachment. The cowl is similar to the 39/40 Mercury cowl, but has some extra holes that look factory. The door hinges and hood hinges look like the 39/40 Merc, the hood character line also fits the car better than a truck. The doors and roof are another mystery. I would like to see a photo of the doors. Tom
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| trjford8 | -- 12-20-2014 @ 8:25 AM |
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TomO, I agree that we should have photos of the doors. The rib in the back of the cab should follow through on the doors. It does not follow through on the cowl, but maybe there was cowl trim(indicated by the two bolt holes) that matched to the rib on the doors? This message was edited by trjford8 on 12-20-14 @ 8:28 AM
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| 49fordv8f4 | -- 12-20-2014 @ 8:29 AM |
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The belt line under the window looks similar to a '40-'47 cab, but it looks too pronounced. Could this be a prototype cab? Mark
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| rustynutt | -- 12-24-2014 @ 1:29 PM |
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I have to believe it's an altered 39 Mercury sedan. If you enlarge the pictures and scroll around the doors and along belt line you can see cracks and file marks in the body work. The patch work should be obvious from the inside.
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| trjford8 | -- 12-24-2014 @ 5:09 PM |
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I think the "cracks" in the belt line are actually big paint chips covered by primer. I do see the file marks just above the door opening. Lead was used in a lot of places including the upper roof corners of the pickups.
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| 40MercPU | -- 03-06-2015 @ 10:30 AM |
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Back again...I cannot see any cut/weld indicators on the inside of the body. The doors that came with the body (unattached) seem to be sedan and do not fit the body exactly. An inside look at the rear window area does not show any cut/weld indicators either. I probably will begin buying cowl, firewall, and doorpost replacement sheet metal as available for one of the sedans and work my way forward, modifying as I go. Not the cheapest way but in essence I would have a truck body connected to a sedan front clip.
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| TomO | -- 03-07-2015 @ 3:47 PM |
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Welcome back. I am still mystified by your vehicle. So far we know that the serial number is for a 46 Ford or Mercury. The dash looks like a 39 Mercury. The door hinges look like 39 Mercury with the top hinge concealed and the bottom hinge exposed when the door is closed. The cowl looks similar to the 39 and 40 Mercury, but the Mercury only has the 2 holes for the trim and the one for the hood bumper, the small hole cold have been drilled, but the larger hole was made by special tooling that raised the area around the hole. The rear window is similar to a 37-40 closed car. The rib around the back of the cab looks like 42-47 cabs. The cowl is wider than the 39 to 47 pickup cab. You say that you cannot see any traces of body work on the inside of the cab. I sure would like to see clear photos of the area above the windshield and all the way back to the back window, including the back window. Do you have a frame? It should have a serial number also. It would be interesting to know if it matched the cowl tag number. I believe that you have a custom and it would be a very nice looking vehicle if the 39 Mercury front clip could be grafted onto it. I doubt that it is a prototype due to the serial number, it is 81597 into the production of the 46 vehicles, if the reported serial numbers are correct. I do not have any records of war time serial numbers by year but there were approximately 110,000 100 HP V-8 engines made during that period. That would seem to include all of the 45 vehicles made. Tom
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| fordmerc | -- 03-12-2015 @ 5:21 PM |
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Unquestionably a '39 Mercury cowl from the outside and unquestionably a '39 Mercury dash (plus 3 holes)
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